TRAIL CAM BAN UPDATE 3/17/21

[huntlines]

8 minutes ago, Desertguide said:

Necessary evil. The VAST amounts of money those tags generate goes a long way in this state. All the drinkers we hunt, all the land the AES Sawyers clear, all the old barbed wire that's torn down, all the dirt tanks that get mucked out... all of that happens with the money from those commissioners tags. 

This is what we are told all the time. It would help if the money was transparent and for the public to see exactly where this money goes.

[plang00]

9 hours ago, az300wby said:

Nice, thx for helping make the big bo an awesome place to hunt.  
nice Ram hope to get one someday.  

No problem....enjoy it.

[Desertguide]

11 minutes ago, huntlines said:

This is what we are told all the time. It would help if the money was transparent and for the public to see exactly where this money goes.

Freedom of information act. We a citizens have every right to know where that money goes. It takes a little effort but you can file a Freedom of Information act request and they HAVE to show you where it goes. Did you know it's the same with G&F trailcams? You can do the same thing and be able to see every picture they get on a specific trailcam. It's public record and you have the right to see it. 

[huntlines]

6 minutes ago, Desertguide said:

Freedom of information act. We a citizens have every right to know where that money goes. It takes a little effort but you can file a Freedom of Information act request and they HAVE to show you where it goes. Did you know it's the same with G&F trailcams? You can do the same thing and be able to see every picture they get on a specific trailcam. It's public record and you have the right to see it. 

I agree with this but it would go a long way if they would just publish it. I would think guide services would push for this as it would help alleviate some of the “greed” animosity toward guides.

[Heat]

Game and Fish has no authority to ban trail cameras if it doesn't involve the take of wildlife. This is complete nonsense if they think they can fairly enforce this proposal. Not happening. The best they can hope for is people to cower and comply. Any proposal that is not comprehensive involving every land management agency in the State is just making things a bigger mess.

[eddielasvegas]

18 minutes ago, Heat said:

Game and Fish has no authority to ban trail cameras if it doesn't involve the take of wildlife.

Can you explain why they do not?

Thanks,

Eddie

[huntlines]

15 minutes ago, eddielasvegas said:

Can you explain why they do not?

Thanks,

Eddie

Here, I’ll do it for him. G&F only controls the game in the state not the land nor what people do on the land. Therefore they can’t ban cameras on public land, only regulate the “taking” of game. They will have to prove the camera aided in the take after the fact. Going to be hard to prove.

Im actually surprised the anti cam people have not pushed this through the forest service. Oops did I let the cat out of the proverbial bag....

[Heat]

Because it doesn't say anything in here about taking pictures. It is a broad interpretation until you start talking about Take which is defined as pursuing, shooting, hunting, fishing, trapping, killing, capturing, snaring, or netting wildlife. Wildlife includes all wild mammals, wild birds, reptiles, amphibians, mollusks, crustaceans and fish. Visit our license page.

 

17-231. General powers and duties of the commission
A. The commission shall:
1. Adopt rules and establish services it deems necessary
to carry out the provisions and purposes of this title.
2. Establish broad policies and long-range programs for
the management, preservation and harvest of wildlife.
3. Establish hunting, trapping and fishing rules and
prescribe the manner and methods that may be used in
taking wildlife, but the commission shall not limit or
restrict the magazine capacity of any authorized firearm.
4. Be responsible for the enforcement of laws for the
protection of wildlife.
5. Provide for the assembling and distribution of
information to the public relating to wildlife and activities
of the department.
6. Prescribe rules for the expenditure, by or under the
control of the director, of all funds arising from
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appropriation, licenses, gifts or other sources.
7. Exercise such powers and duties necessary to carry out
fully the provisions of this title and in general exercise
powers and duties that relate to adopting and carrying out
policies of the department and control of its financial
affairs.
8. Prescribe procedures for use of department personnel,
facilities, equipment, supplies and other resources in
assisting search or rescue operations on request of the
director of the division of emergency management.
9. Cooperate with the Arizona-Mexico commission in
the governor's office and with researchers at universities in
this state to collect data and conduct projects in the United
States and Mexico on issues that are within the scope of the
department's duties and that relate to quality of life, trade
and economic development in this state in a manner that
will help the Arizona-Mexico commission to assess and
enhance the economic competitiveness of this state and of
the Arizona-Mexico region.
B. The commission may:
1. Conduct investigations, inquiries or hearings in the
performance of its powers and duties.
2. Establish game management units or refuges for the
preservation and management of wildlife.
3. Construct and operate game farms, fish hatcheries,
fishing lakes or other facilities for or relating to the
preservation or propagation of wildlife.
4. Expend funds to provide training in the safe handling
and use of firearms and safe hunting practices.
5. Remove or permit to be removed from public or
private waters fish which hinder or prevent propagation of
game or food fish and dispose of such fish in such manner
as it may designate.
6. Purchase, sell or barter wildlife for the purpose of
stocking public or private lands and waters and take at any
time in any manner wildlife for research, propagation and
restocking purposes or for use at a game farm or fish
hatchery and declare wildlife salable when in the public
interest or the interest of conservation.
7. Enter into agreements with the federal government,
with other states or political subdivisions of the state and
with private organizations for the construction and
operation of facilities and for management studies,
measures or procedures for or relating to the preservation
and propagation of wildlife and expend funds for carrying
out such agreements.
8. Prescribe rules for the sale, trade, importation,
exportation or possession of wildlife.
9. Expend monies for the purpose of producing
publications relating to wildlife and activities of the
department for sale to the public and establish the price to
be paid for annual subscriptions and single copies of such
publications. All monies received from the sale of such
publications shall be deposited in the game and fish
publications revolving fund.
10. Contract with any person or entity to design and
produce artwork on terms that, in the commission's
judgment, will produce an original and valuable work of
art relating to wildlife or wildlife habitat.
11. Sell or distribute the artwork authorized under
paragraph 10 of this subsection on such terms and for such
price as it deems acceptable.
12. Consider the adverse and beneficial short-term and
long-term economic impacts on resource dependent
communities, small businesses and the state of Arizona, of
policies and programs for the management, preservation
and harvest of wildlife by holding a public hearing to
receive and consider written comments and public
testimony from interested persons.
13. Adopt rules relating to range operations at public
shooting ranges operated by and under the jurisdiction of
the commission, including the hours of operation, the fees
for the use of the range, the regulation of groups and events,
the operation of related range facilities, the type of firearms
and ammunition that may be used at the range, the safe
handling of firearms at the range, the required safety
equipment for a person using the range, the sale of
firearms, ammunition and shooting supplies at the range,
and the authority of range officers to enforce these rules, to
remove violators from the premises and to refuse entry for
repeat violations.
14. Solicit and accept grants, gifts or donations of money
or other property from any source, which may be used for
any purpose consistent with this title.
C. The commission shall confer and coordinate with the
director of water resources with respect to the commission's
activities, plans and negotiations relating to water
development and use, restoration projects under the
restoration acts pursuant to chapter 4, article 1 of this title,
where water development and use are involved, the
abatement of pollution injurious to wildlife and in the
formulation of fish and wildlife aspects of the director of
water resources' plans to develop and utilize water resources
of the state and shall have jurisdiction over fish and wildlife
resources and fish and wildlife activities of projects
constructed for the state under or pursuant to the jurisdiction
of the director of water resources.
D. The commission may enter into one or more agreements
with a multi-county water conservation district and other
parties for participation in the lower Colorado river
multispecies conservation program under section 48-
3713.03, including the collection and payment of any monies
authorized by law for the purposes of the lower Colorado
river multispecies conservation program.

[dusty]

This #5   . Provide for the assembling and distribution of
information to the public relating to wildlife and activities
of the department.

[eddielasvegas]

Thanks for your replies to my question. 

What a hawt mess this is with G&F trying to control something they have no authority over.

 

Eddie

[Desertguide]

48 minutes ago, huntlines said:

I agree with this but it would go a long way if they would just publish it. I would think guide services would push for this as it would help alleviate some of the “greed” animosity toward guides.

Unfortunately... the outfits booking those hunts could give a rip about animosity. They already know you won't book a hunt with them. How is you not liking guides going to keep them from booking auction tags? Or any hunt for that matter?  The only outfits that are hurt by public perception are the ones that get caught breaking the law. 

 

[huntlines]

19 minutes ago, Desertguide said:

Unfortunately... the outfits booking those hunts could give a rip about animosity. They already know you won't book a hunt with them. How is you not liking guides going to keep them from booking auction tags? Or any hunt for that matter?  The only outfits that are hurt by public perception are the ones that get caught breaking the law. 

 

Completely agree, they don’t care what the majority of other hunters think of the m which is the problem. They give the rest of the guide services a bad rap which is who I would think should be the most upset. But money talks and the rest of us walk. Just gives a black eye to the hunting community period and ammunition for the anti’s.

[QCwtAddict]

28 minutes ago, eddielasvegas said:

Thanks for your replies to my question. 

What a hawt mess this is with G&F trying to control something they have no authority over.

 

Eddie

Thats not true that they have no authority, they do have the authority to regulate them only if they are used in the take of game. The problem would be proving/disproving if they aided in the take

[Desertguide]

13 minutes ago, huntlines said:

Completely agree, they don’t care what the majority of other hunters think of the m which is the problem. They give the rest of the guide services a bad rap which is who I would think should be the most upset. But money talks and the rest of us walk. Just gives a black eye to the hunting community period and ammunition for the anti’s.

In the end it comes back to bite them. When it's ONLY about the money, they end up cutting corners. When they happens they get busted and they have the dept standing on their tails. Even out of state guys end up finding out about it and they lose repeat clients... which is the backbone of any outfit.

 

I'm not gonna pretend money doesn't matter. I wouldn't guide for free. No way. I put WAY to much money into fuel, optics and gear to give my time away. Except for junior hunts, I won't charge for a junior hunt. BUT... I won't EVER put the money above my love for the wildlife... and I could care less about ever booking an auction tag or even hunting some of the premium units. The pressure takes the joy out of it. No thank you.. lol

[plang00]

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