Desertguide Report post Posted April 22, 2021 22 hours ago, huntlines said: Actually the guides will find loop holes just like they do with flying. The people this will hurt is the average DIY hunter. Which guides are you referring to? Serious question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huntlines Report post Posted April 22, 2021 7 hours ago, HuntHarder said: In what way do you think this will this hurt the DIY hunter? Lower success rate? Or ? The obvious, not being able to use the cameras. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huntlines Report post Posted April 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Desertguide said: Which guides are you referring to? Serious question. ???? Really? There are several guide services who use planes for scouting. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Desertguide Report post Posted April 22, 2021 Just now, huntlines said: ???? Really? There are several guide services who use planes for scouting. I was referring more to the statement about loopholes. None of the guides I know.. and I know a few... would risk their businesses by breaking a rule. I mean obviously there are idiots that would do it. Likely the same idiots that already get busted all the time. I guess what I'm getting at is that I don't think most guides are what people assume about them. I know wouldn't risk my guides license and livelihood over a stupid camera. Seems there are maybe a few rotten apples? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZ11 Report post Posted April 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, Desertguide said: Lol.... 200 cameras per guide? I'm sure you're just exaggerating for effect. This is not an exaggeration, and some of them post how many they use. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Desertguide Report post Posted April 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, AZ11 said: This is not an exaggeration, and some of them post how many they use. That's crazy. I think they're full of sh!t. I know there are outfitters that buy that many cameras but its not possible for 1 guy to keep track of 200 cameras for one season of hunting. Not even if that's all the guide did. I can't fathom trying to keep up with 200 cameras. I'm too busy scouting... 😂😂😂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huntlines Report post Posted April 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, Desertguide said: I was referring more to the statement about loopholes. None of the guides I know.. and I know a few... would risk their businesses by breaking a rule. I mean obviously there are idiots that would do it. Likely the same idiots that already get busted all the time. I guess what I'm getting at is that I don't think most guides are what people assume about them. I know wouldn't risk my guides license and livelihood over a stupid camera. Seems there are maybe a few rotten apples? Well I know a few guide services too, and I know they use planes to scout with during season. They don’t have their name attached to the plane and therefore are not risking their business. Same will happen with the cameras. They will pay people under the table to run them and when or if they are caught they have deniability. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHT_MTNMAN Report post Posted April 22, 2021 IMO the only way it will hurt the outfitters and guides are with auction and raffle tags. Maybe not even that since they can pay a lot more people to be in the woods. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huntlines Report post Posted April 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, AZ11 said: This is not an exaggeration, and some of them post how many they use. Yup, I know of one who brags about haveing 130 cameras in a single unit. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Desertguide Report post Posted April 22, 2021 1 minute ago, huntlines said: Well I know a few guide services too, and I know they use planes to scout with during season. They don’t have their name attached to the plane and therefore are not risking their business. Same will happen with the cameras. They will pay people under the table to run them and when or if they are caught they have deniability. Still... I think you're talking about a handful of outfitters... maybe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huntlines Report post Posted April 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Desertguide said: Still... I think you're talking about a handful of outfitters... maybe. Yup, probably the same handful causing the problems forcing G&F to propose a ban. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntHarder Report post Posted April 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, huntlines said: The obvious, not being able to use the cameras. Good response. So in other words, it will hurt everyone equal if they r banned Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huntlines Report post Posted April 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, HuntHarder said: Good response. So in other words, it will hurt everyone equal if they r banned No, not equally. DIY hunters who can’t pay someone else to run cameras for them will be hurt the most. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Desertguide Report post Posted April 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, huntlines said: Yup, probably the same handful causing the problems forcing G&F to propose a ban. That's exactly why GnF needs to create and require an outfitters licenses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntHarder Report post Posted April 23, 2021 6 hours ago, bigbuckfever said: The DIY hunter doesn't spend (or have) as much time in the woods as someone like a guide who does this as his profession. In order to check out more than one area for an upcoming hunt, it can be very helpful to put a camera on a trail or funnel or scrape to see what's in that area and if it's worth it to spend your limited amount of time there or if you should try somewhere else. The average DIYer can't spend more than a few weekends scouting for each hunt. My 2 cents. I agree with this completely. Where we differ on opinion is i gladly welcome it. Seems like everyone has gotten over the false statement that cameras do not = more success. I am ok with guys having to actually get out in the field and scout again. If the overall success rate drops, that's a good thing too for our dwindling #'s. I doubt the success drops that much, but forcing guys into the field more is a step closer to what hunting used to be. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
