SirRoyal Report post Posted March 17, 2021 The 1st attachment is a cover letter relaying a statement of an alliance of homegrown sportsmen here in Arizona The 2nd and 3rd attachment is our attorneys letter delivered 3/15/21 to the Governors office pertaining to the trail camera ban. 5 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZtroutman Report post Posted March 17, 2021 Lol- comments supporting the ban or some type of ban are equal to those that don't want a ban at all. . . Sir royal: "A Tidal wave of opposition" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SirRoyal Report post Posted March 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, AZtroutman said: Lol- comments supporting the ban or some type of ban are equal to those that don't want a ban at all. . . Sir royal: "A Tidal wave of opposition" The ones that said partial ban only did that because they didnt realize we can beat this totally. Never under estimate our group and think this is the last you will hear from us! Just saying! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdown Report post Posted March 17, 2021 took what was finally a win for the animals and environment and bogged it down in legal eze. What a complete shame and compete waste of resource. You mean people were actually going to have to scout and hunt for themselves.. what a travesty, yes lawsuits must incur immediately! Fkg joke. 8 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huntlines Report post Posted March 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, SirRoyal said: The 1st attachment is a cover letter relaying a statement of an alliance of homegrown sportsmen here in Arizona The 2nd and 3rd attachment is our attorneys letter delivered 3/15/21 to the Governors office pertaining to the trail camera ban. It appears this is requesting the item be dropped due to the verbiage used to request the rule change. How does this stop them from starting over using the verbiage “fair chase”? This may only delay it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdown Report post Posted March 17, 2021 What's next, everyone is going to have to shoot a bow during archery season.. OMG- this world is so unfair. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ohthatguy Report post Posted March 17, 2021 For a flashback. 1:45:05 is Sparks' comments on the issue of "fair chase" (I know a member here called him a flat out liar and said that he never spoke with BnC or PnY on this issue.) No comment either way on that but here is what he said. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntHarder Report post Posted March 17, 2021 Sad.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZtroutman Report post Posted March 17, 2021 Guides and outfitters: trail cameras don't help us, they are just a fun tool to help us see what's out there. Also guides and outfitters: I'm gonna spend $30k a year on a pallet of cams and boxes, another $5k on batteries and SD cards, another $5k on gas to check them every week all year. . . . Just for fun though. And if they say I can't I'll sue them! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Desertguide Report post Posted March 17, 2021 38 minutes ago, jdown said: took what was finally a win for the animals and environment and bogged it down in legal eze. What a complete shame and compete waste of resource. You mean people were actually going to have to scout and hunt for themselves.. what a travesty, yes lawsuits must incur immediately! Fkg joke. Where was there a threat of lawsuit? This letter simply asks the governor to recind the approval for rule making under the guise of "public safety". Rightfully so because the department totally changed their tune. On a personal level I don't care one way or the other. It won't affect me at all. What I do personally oppose is arbitrary, unenforceable rules... which this is the way its worded. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntHarder Report post Posted March 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Desertguide said: Where was there a threat of lawsuit? This letter simply asks the governor to recind the approval for rule making under the guise of "public safety". Rightfully so because the department totally changed their tune. On a personal level I don't care one way or the other. It won't affect me at all. What I do personally oppose is arbitrary, unenforceable rules... which this is the way its worded. How should they word it to make it enforceable in your eyes? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SirRoyal Report post Posted March 17, 2021 29 minutes ago, Ohthatguy said: For a flashback. 1:45:05 is Sparks' comments on the issue of "fair chase" (I know a member here called him a flat out liar and said that he never spoke with BnC or PnY on this issue.) No comment either way on that but here is what he said. THANK YOU SIR!! THEIR DONE! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SirRoyal Report post Posted March 17, 2021 44 minutes ago, huntlines said: It appears this is requesting the item be dropped due to the verbiage used to request the rule change. How does this stop them from starting over using the verbiage “fair chase”? This may only delay it. You wish friend! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huntlines Report post Posted March 17, 2021 1 minute ago, SirRoyal said: You wish friend! Actually no I don’t wish. I’m actually against the trail camera ban, however I don’t see how this stops them from starting over using different language. I think you’re assuming everyone is against you and your attempt to stop this rule change. You need not alienate people who might be on your side. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Desertguide Report post Posted March 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, HuntHarder said: How should they word it to make it enforceable in your eyes? I'm no lawyer but to make it enforceable I think they would need to ban trail cameras for any reason on all public land in AZ. The problem is that the wording allows trail cameras to be legal for all purposes except for hunting. That leaves the door wide open for interpretation. The grey area is miles wide. I'm one that would like to see permits or registrations for trailcams. If you're gonna make a dumb rule at least make some money at the same time... lol 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
