coueshunter Report post Posted August 10, 2008 I have a question after reading the regulations, can I shoot a bear from my blind during archery bow hunt if I have salt and water set out for the deer? I have bears that have set off my camera and would like my son to shoot a bear, but dont want to get cited for baiting.....................Thoughts...........thanks.............Allen......... ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snapshot Report post Posted August 10, 2008 G&F would probably consider it baiting, but I certainly don't know for sure. If a bear stumbled across a substance legally placed for deer, it is probably a legal grey area. Maybe a telephone call to G&F might clarify it? B. An individual shall not place substances in a manner intended to attract bears. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonscaife Report post Posted August 10, 2008 i wouldnt chance it. those game and fish r like the stinking cia or something, they will litterally start repelling down from the trees the moment the arrow leaves the bow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IHunt2live Report post Posted August 10, 2008 Might depend on the WM and what kind of mood he/she is in. Is the bear hitting the salt or there just for the water? you could just pick up the salt block while you hunt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FOGGER Report post Posted August 10, 2008 As of last week i called the WM in 22 and asked the same question because i have a coues deer spot with a mineral lick and my lil bro wants to try to shoot this bear that frequents the lick and the WM said that anything that atracts the bear that is not natural such human placed salt/mineral or feed is baiting. Thats what i was told i would call the WM for your unit and get his/her answer because ultimatly they will be the one to write you a ticket..And be careful because I personally know guys who have had there bear gut piles checked and one got a ticket because when he deboned it he left the rib cage with the meat in between and a month later G&F went and checked it because they were doing a turkey survey and he got a 600$ fine for leaving prob 5lbs of rib meat.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sundevils79 Report post Posted August 10, 2008 As of last week i called the WM in 22 and asked the same question because i have a coues deer spot with a mineral lick and my lil bro wants to try to shoot this bear that frequents the lick and the WM said that anything that atracts the bear that is not natural such human placed salt/mineral or feed is baiting. Thats what i was told i would call the WM for your unit and get his/her answer because ultimatly they will be the one to write you a ticket..And be careful because I personally know guys who have had there bear gut piles checked and one got a ticket because when he deboned it he left the rib cage with the meat in between and a month later G&F went and checked it because they were doing a turkey survey and he got a 600$ fine for leaving prob 5lbs of rib meat.. I call bravo sierra on the $600 ticket.....couple of problems with that story. 1) a month later there would probably be nothing left due to the scavengers ie. coyotes and buzzards. 2) I know that some WM can be anal but I am sure that the ticket was due to more than just rib meat i.e. they probably left the more than just rib meat. I have come across deer and elk kills where hunters take just the backstraps and hind quarters and for people that do that they deserve more than just a ticket. I'm not trying to bust balls but it seems that every time someone gets a ticket from the GF it's never because they did something wrong but rather because the GF was pissed off or "out to get me." As for the salt/mineral issue I would just pull the salt while you are hunting. Bears will use the licks just like a deer and in my mind could be considered using a substance to attract. Just my thoughts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FOGGER Report post Posted August 10, 2008 Its actually any meat left you get a ticket..and yes people do that to deer and elk all the time and thats not right ,but bear has mandatory harvest reporting so its allot easier to track down a bear hunter in a unit that has 3 reported bear kills than lets say 6A for elk which has thousand and thousands of elk permits throughout the year. Last time i checked and im not good at math but its allot easier to find 1 out of 3 people who you have name, address ,unit killed,sex of animal, approximate location, and tooth for dna than find 1 out of 10,000.The G&F would crack down on more people if they could find them...But thats just my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coueshunter Report post Posted August 10, 2008 I guess my other issue is that "substance" could also be construed to equal the water tank I built. I have salt and water that I built. I dont believe the bears are hitting the salt and you cannot remove the salt that has leached into the ground so anyway it seems like any wildlife officer should be able to answer this question, not just the one for the unit you are hunting in. Hopefully someone who frequents this site can answer this question so we all are hunting legally.........thanks...........Allen.................. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertBull Report post Posted August 10, 2008 If you put it there, it's not legal to kill a bear over it. If it occurs naturally, you have no problem. Set up a 1/4 mile away from the water/salt, near some fresh sign, and try calling with a fawn call. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GameHauler Report post Posted August 10, 2008 With all the trail cams we have out has anyone ever gotten a picture of a Bear licking salt? I only have a few Bears on film but not one was near salt. Just passing threw or there for a drink. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rich hold Report post Posted August 11, 2008 I have a picture of abear on salt, lets see if I can post it .the salt is behind the rock and log Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coueshunter Report post Posted August 11, 2008 I have 5 different bears that have all been just passing by. I have my camera on video and have yet to see them lick the salt. I would think they would get into to the salt, they just havent yet on my set ups..........Allen.......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IHunt2live Report post Posted August 11, 2008 From what I've herd from a few G&F guys is that they are realy concerned about hunters just leaving the bear meat in thye field. They have several cases of hard core bear hunters just leaving the meat of all the bears they kill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr.smith Report post Posted August 11, 2008 What about scents? If there is nothing for the bear to consume is it still considerd baiting? i.e. I heard bears are VERY attracted to the smell of Vanilla extract. Would that constitute baiting though? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coach Report post Posted August 11, 2008 From what I've herd from a few G&F guys is that they are realy concerned about hunters just leaving the bear meat in thye field. They have several cases of hard core bear hunters just leaving the meat of all the bears they kill. I've heard the same thing - some guys just want the head and cape, and others just the head. Wrong on all accounts, so outfitters, please make your clients take the meat just as if it were a deer or elk. And would someone PLEASE spread the word to hold off on the Lab-sized yearlings??? Just saw another bear getting hauled off near Green's Peak with milk on its chin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
