18,000 new elk apps

[knothead]

People just need to relax and we will  all get through this.

I promise.

[ThomC]

Hey rookies, sometimes people say things on the internet that aren't true.  They just pullin you chain.  The trick that comes with experience is knowing when to fold em.  🃏

[aspenband]

4 minutes ago, JSR said:

You are delusional. 

You know that you must to go into the game and fish office to have the tag transferred right? 

You don't just get to hand someone your tag. 

I do...How many people actually do that?  The ones who are transfering to their children probably do, but the rest do not.  The law, as seen below, does not allow the situations I discussed.  Nothing delusional about that.

17-332. Form and content of license; duplicate licenses; transfer of license prohibited; exceptions; period of validity

A. Licenses and license materials shall be prepared by the department and may be furnished and charged to dealers that are authorized to issue licenses. Each license shall be issued in the name of the department and signed in a manner provided by rule adopted by the commission. With each license authorizing the taking of big game, the department shall provide such tags as the commission may prescribe, which the licensee shall attach to the big game animal in the manner prescribed by the commission. The commission shall limit the number of big game permits issued to nonresidents in a random drawing to ten percent or fewer of the total hunt permits, but in extraordinary circumstances, at a public meeting the commission may increase the number of permits issued to nonresidents in a random drawing if, on separate roll call votes, the members of the commission unanimously:

1. Support the finding of a specifically described extraordinary circumstance.

2. Adopt the increased number of nonresident permits for the hunt.

B. The commission shall issue with each license a shipping permit entitling the holder of the license to a shipment of game or fish as provided by article 4 of this chapter.

C. It is unlawful, except as provided by the commission, for any person to apply for or obtain in any one license year more than one original license permitting the taking of big game.  A duplicate license or tag may be issued by the department or by a license dealer if the person requesting such a license or tag furnishes the information deemed necessary by the commission.

D. A license or permit is not transferable and may not be used by anyone except the person to whom the license or permit was issued, except that:

1. The commission may prescribe the manner and conditions of transferring and using permits and tags under this paragraph, including an application process for a qualified organization, to allow a person to transfer the person's big game permit or tag to a qualified organization for use by:

(a) A minor child who has a life-threatening medical condition or a permanent physical disability. If a child with a physical disability is under fourteen years of age, the child must satisfactorily complete the Arizona hunter education course or another comparable hunter education course that is approved by the director.

(b) A veteran of the armed forces of the United States who has a service-connected disability.  For the purposes of this paragraph:

(i) "Disability" means a permanent physical impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities and that requires the assistance of another person or a mechanical device for physical mobility.

(ii) "Qualified organization" means a nonprofit organization that is qualified under section 501(c)(3) of the United States internal revenue code and that affords opportunities and experiences to children with life-threatening medical conditions or with physical disabilities or to veterans with service-connected disabilities.

2. A parent, grandparent or legal guardian may allow the parent's, grandparent's or guardian's minor child or minor grandchild to use the parent's, grandparent's or guardian's big game permit or tag to take big game pursuant to the following requirements:

(a) The parent, grandparent or guardian must transfer the permit or tag to the minor child in a manner prescribed by the commission.

(b) The minor child must possess a valid hunting license and, if under fourteen years of age, must satisfactorily complete, before the beginning of the hunt, the Arizona hunter education course or another comparable hunter education course that is approved by the director.

(c) Any big game that is taken counts toward the minor child's bag limit.

E. Refunds may not be made for the purchase of a license or permit.

F. Licenses are valid for a license year as prescribed in rule by the commission. Lifetime licenses and benefactor licenses are valid for the lifetime of the licensee.

[JSR]

Just now, aspenband said:

I do...How many people actually do that?  The ones who are transfering to their children probably do, but the rest do not.  The law, as seen below, does not allow the situations I discussed.  Nothing delusional about that.

17-332. Form and content of license; duplicate licenses; transfer of license prohibited; exceptions; period of validity

A. Licenses and license materials shall be prepared by the department and may be furnished and charged to dealers that are authorized to issue licenses. Each license shall be issued in the name of the department and signed in a manner provided by rule adopted by the commission. With each license authorizing the taking of big game, the department shall provide such tags as the commission may prescribe, which the licensee shall attach to the big game animal in the manner prescribed by the commission. The commission shall limit the number of big game permits issued to nonresidents in a random drawing to ten percent or fewer of the total hunt permits, but in extraordinary circumstances, at a public meeting the commission may increase the number of permits issued to nonresidents in a random drawing if, on separate roll call votes, the members of the commission unanimously:

1. Support the finding of a specifically described extraordinary circumstance.

2. Adopt the increased number of nonresident permits for the hunt.

B. The commission shall issue with each license a shipping permit entitling the holder of the license to a shipment of game or fish as provided by article 4 of this chapter.

C. It is unlawful, except as provided by the commission, for any person to apply for or obtain in any one license year more than one original license permitting the taking of big game.  A duplicate license or tag may be issued by the department or by a license dealer if the person requesting such a license or tag furnishes the information deemed necessary by the commission.

D. A license or permit is not transferable and may not be used by anyone except the person to whom the license or permit was issued, except that:

1. The commission may prescribe the manner and conditions of transferring and using permits and tags under this paragraph, including an application process for a qualified organization, to allow a person to transfer the person's big game permit or tag to a qualified organization for use by:

(a) A minor child who has a life-threatening medical condition or a permanent physical disability. If a child with a physical disability is under fourteen years of age, the child must satisfactorily complete the Arizona hunter education course or another comparable hunter education course that is approved by the director.

(b) A veteran of the armed forces of the United States who has a service-connected disability.  For the purposes of this paragraph:

(i) "Disability" means a permanent physical impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities and that requires the assistance of another person or a mechanical device for physical mobility.

(ii) "Qualified organization" means a nonprofit organization that is qualified under section 501(c)(3) of the United States internal revenue code and that affords opportunities and experiences to children with life-threatening medical conditions or with physical disabilities or to veterans with service-connected disabilities.

2. A parent, grandparent or legal guardian may allow the parent's, grandparent's or guardian's minor child or minor grandchild to use the parent's, grandparent's or guardian's big game permit or tag to take big game pursuant to the following requirements:

(a) The parent, grandparent or guardian must transfer the permit or tag to the minor child in a manner prescribed by the commission.

(b) The minor child must possess a valid hunting license and, if under fourteen years of age, must satisfactorily complete, before the beginning of the hunt, the Arizona hunter education course or another comparable hunter education course that is approved by the director.

(c) Any big game that is taken counts toward the minor child's bag limit.

E. Refunds may not be made for the purchase of a license or permit.

F. Licenses are valid for a license year as prescribed in rule by the commission. Lifetime licenses and benefactor licenses are valid for the lifetime of the licensee.

 

Then the person is hunting without a valid tag.....a totally different scenario than "gaming" the tag transfer system.

[QCwtAddict]

25 minutes ago, aspenband said:

The "rules" Laws do not include or allow party tags or transfers to adults; people break the law when they do this.  Transfers can be made to "your" underage children but not relatives’ underage children legally.  Which is what people are admitting to doing. Way different than using a tax break that is available as it is not illegal to use, bad analogy.  It also explains the large increases in applicants thereby reducing overall drawing odds which was the subject.  I hope all the people doing this get caught by G&F losing their privilege to hunt in Arizona forever!  Then those of us who are ethical in our pursuits will have a better chance of drawing tags.

When you hear people talk about putting in non hunting relatives other than parents/grandparents they are using them for their bonus points on party applications. 

[stanley]

13 minutes ago, JSR said:

 

Then the person is hunting without a valid tag.....a totally different scenario than "gaming" the tag transfer system.

+1.   That is not a tag transfer or gaming scenario.  That is a poaching scenario, IMO.

[twigsnapper]

If your feelers are hurt because I apply my Mom for a tag with the intention of transferring it to one of my sons, too dang bad, grow up.  Wish I was at my computer, I’d light this thread on 🔥 

[aspenband]

4 minutes ago, QCwtAddict said:

When you hear people talk about putting in non hunting relatives other than parents/grandparents they are using them for their bonus points on party applications. 

Even if this statement is true does it not add additional applicants? If it adds additional applicants does that not reduce the chances of someone who actually intends and wants to hunt in drawing?  And would it help explain the increase in applicants that has been happening?

 

[QCwtAddict]

22 minutes ago, aspenband said:

Even if this statement is true does it not add additional applicants? If it adds additional applicants does that not reduce the chances of someone who actually intends and wants to hunt in drawing?  And would it help explain the increase in applicants that has been happening?

 

You went on a rant about people poaching. I was pointing out your misunderstanding from the other post.

Honestly, I seriously doubt there are enough people doing it to have that much impact on draw odds. I would bet it has more to do with the surge in new hunters and people moving into az. I personally know about a dozen people that have started hunting in the last decade. But just like you I dont have the numbers to prove my theory. 

 

[Delw]

10 hours ago, aspenband said:

I even saw a guy admit his first deer was taken out the window of a pickup truck with a 22 LR at night! (But that is for another thread.)

Well see thats where your wrong. its wasnt Taken out the window of a pick-up truck with a 22lr  at night.. I dont think the deer would have fit through the window of a pick-up truck.

 

 

[trphyhntr]

19 hours ago, twigsnapper said:

 Wish I was at my computer, I’d light this thread on 🔥 

where you posting from, your microwave? 

[AZBIG10]

I like the part on the website where they are insistent that no one call them.  Lol seems a bit patronizing. The irony that they are pushing this portal on all of us. But when an issue arises DO NoT CALL THem about it.  Kinda 😆 

[wapitibob]

Best thing they could do is turn that worthless portal off.

[wish2hunt]

4 minutes ago, wapitibob said:

Best thing they could do is turn that worthless portal off.

But it has special features

[wapitibob]

Their IT guy is a hack. It'll never work as long as his fingers are anywhere near it.