CatfishKev Report post Posted February 11, 2021 Since it's so hard to get ammo the only thing that I have right now is Full Metal Jacket if I was to take that and grind down the tip about 1/16 of an inch maybe even drill the tip out a little bit to make it look like a Spire point would that open up upon impact like a normal hunting round. I want to shoot coyotes but dont want them to have to die an unnecassarily long painful death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Delw Report post Posted February 11, 2021 You could but it would be a waste as the FMJS have a pretty thick jacket. In a .223 Remington they wont open up, but in a 22-250 or 220 swift they do kinda and sometimes vaporize the insides. That all being said every FMJ by different manufacturers have different thickness of copper jackets. just because you drill a hole in it or grind off the point wont make it expand. berger target bullets there hollow points have about the same thickness as the old FMJS if I recall, both go thru most of the time. yote still dies Its a Yote if you hit it in the head it will die quickly, if you hit it in the shoulder and heart same thing., gut shoot it like any other animals it will run off. ive killed main yotes using fmjs they blow a decent hole in them and die pretty quick some instantly. Ive hit them with nosler BT and had them need a 2nd shot or couldnt find them cause they ran off. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Couzer Report post Posted February 12, 2021 You can use FMJ for hunting as long as it has a lead core and not steal. As long as it can expand on impact. Lots of people do not understand this. Just a FYI. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5guyshunting Report post Posted February 12, 2021 JX HelpSign InSign Up Statutes, codes, and regulations Arizona Administrative Code ••• Article 3 - TAKING AND HANDLING OF WILDLIFE Ariz. Admin. Code § 12-4-303 Download Current through Register Vol. 26, No. 49, December 4, 2020 Section R12-4-303 - Unlawful Devices, Methods, and Ammunition A. In addition to the prohibitions prescribed under A.R.S. §§ 17-301 and 17-309, the following devices, methods, and ammunition are unlawful for taking wildlife in this state: 1. A person shall not use any of the following to take wildlife: a. Fully automatic firearms, including firearms capable of selective automatic fire. b. Tracer or armor-piercing ammunition designed for military use. c. Any smart device as defined under R12-4-301. d. Any self-guided projectiles. 2. A person shall not take big game using full-jacketed or total-jacketed bullets that are not designed to expand upon impact, 3. A person shall not use or possess any of the following while taking wildlife: a. Poisoned projectiles or projectiles that contain explosives or a secondary propellant. b. Pitfalls of greater than 5-gallon size, explosives, poisons, or stupefying substances, except as permitted under A.R.S. § 17-239 or as allowed by a scientific collecting permit issued under A.R.S. § 17-238. c. Any lure, attractant, or cover scent containing any cervid urine. d. Electronic night vision equipment, electronically enhanced light-gathering devices, thermal imaging devices or laser sights projecting a visible light; except for devices such as laser range finders projecting a non-visible light, scopes with self-illuminating reticles, and fiber optic sights with self-illuminating sights or pins that do not project a visible light onto an animal. 4. A person shall not by any means: a. Hold wildlife at bay other than during daylight hours, unless authorized by Commission Order. b. Injure, confine, place, or use a tracking device in or on wildlife for the purpose of taking or aiding in the take of wildlife. c. Place any substance, device, or object in, on, or by any water source to prevent wildlife from using that water source. d. Place any substance in a manner intended to attract bears. e. Use a manual or powered jacking or prying device to take reptiles or amphibians. f. Use dogs to pursue, tree, corner or hold at bay any wildlife for a hunter, unless that hunter is present for the entire hunt. g. Take migratory game birds, except Eurasian collared-doves: i. Using a shotgun larger than 10 gauge, a shotgun of any description capable of holding more than three shells unless it is plugged with a one-piece filler that cannot be removed without disassembling the shotgun so that its total capacity does not exceed three shells. ii. Using electronically amplified bird calls or baits. iii. By means or aid of any motordriven land, water, or air conveyance, or any sailboat used for the purpose of or resulting in the concentrating, driving, rallying, or stirring up of any migratory bird. iv. Activities described under subsections (g)(i) through (g)(iii) are prohibited under 50 C.F.R. 20.21, revised October 1, 2015. The material incorporated by reference in this Section does not include any later amendments or editions. The incorporated material is available at any Department office, online from the Government Printing Office website www.gpoaccess.gov, or may be ordered from the Superintendent of Documents, P.O. Box 979050, St. Louis, MO 63197-9000. h. Discharge any of the following devices while taking wildlife within one-fourth mile (440 yards) of an occupied farmhouse or other residence, cabin, lodge or building without permission of the owner or resident: i. Arrow or bolt, ii. Hybrid device, or iii. Pneumatic weapon .35 caliber or larger. i. Participate in, organize, promote, sponsor, or solicit participation in a contest where a participant uses or intends to use any device or implement to capture or kill predatory animals or fur-bearing animals as defined under A.R.S. § 17-101. For the purposes of this subsection, "contest" means a competition among participants where participants must register or record entry and pay a fee and prizes or cash are awarded to winning or successful participants. 5. A person shall not use a live-action trail camera, or images from a live-action trail camera, for the purpose of: a. Taking or aiding in the take of wildlife, or b. Locating wildlife for the purpose of taking or aiding in the take of wildlife. 6. A person shall not use images of wildlife produced or transmitted from a satellite or other device that orbits the earth for the purpose of: a. Taking or aiding in the take of wildlife, or b. Locating wildlife for the purpose of taking or aiding in the take of wildlife. c. This subsection does not prohibit the use of mapping systems or programs. 7. A person shall not use edible or ingestible substances to aid in taking big game. The use of edible or ingestible substances to aid in taking big game is unlawful when: a. A person places edible or ingestible substances for the purpose of attracting or taking big game, or b. A person knowingly takes big game with the aid of edible or ingestible substances placed for the purpose of attracting wildlife to a specific location. 8. Subsection (A)(7) does not limit Department employees or Department agents in the performance of their official duties. 9. For the purposes of subsection (A)(7), edible or ingestible substances do not include any of the following: a. Water. b. Salt. c. Salt-based materials produced and manufactured for the livestock industry. d. Nutritional supplements produced and manufactured for the livestock industry and placed during the course of livestock or agricultural operations. B. It is unlawful for a person who is a prohibited possessor to take wildlife with a deadly weapon or prohibited weapon. C. Wildlife taken in violation of this Section is unlawfully taken. D. This Section does not apply to any activity allowed under A.R.S. § 17-302, to a person acting within the scope of their official duties as an employee of the state or United States, or as authorized by the Department. Ariz. Admin. Code § R12-4-303 Amended effective May 3, 1976 (Supp. 76-3). Amended effective April 29, 1977 (Supp. 77-2). Amended effective September 7, 1978 (Supp. 78-5). Former Section R12-4-52 renumbered as Section R12-4-303 without change effective August 13, 1981 (Supp. 81-4). Amended effective March 28, 1983 (Supp. 83-2). Amended subsections (A) and (C) effective October 31, 1984 (Supp. 84-5). Amended effective June 4, 1987 (Supp. 87-2). Former Section R12-4-303 repealed, new Section R12-4-303 adopted effective December 30, 1988 (Supp. 88-4). Correction, former Historical Note should read "Former Section R12-4-303repealed, new Section R12-4-303 adopted effective January 1, 1989, filed December 30, 1988" (Supp. 89-2). Amended effective February 9, 1998 (Supp. 98-1). Amended by final rulemaking at 10 A.A.R. 850, effective April 3, 2004 (Supp. 04-1). Amended by final rulemaking at 19 A.A.R. 826, effective July 1, 2013 (Supp. 13-2). Amended by final rulemaking at 25 A.A.R. 1047, effective 6/1/2019. Amended by final rulemaking at 25 A.A.R. 2473, effective 11/3/2019. Section R12-4-302 - Use of Tags Section R12-4-304 - Lawful Methods for Taking Wild Mammals, Birds, and Reptiles Make your practice more effective and efficient with Casetext’s legal research suite. 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Bowtech Report post Posted February 12, 2021 Thank You 5guyshunting, 2. A person shall not take big game using full-jacketed or total-jacketed bullets that are not designed to expand upon impact, A Full-Metal Jacket with a lead core is still a Full-Metal Jacket. Hollow points, Soft points, or Ballistic tips are the only bullets that can be used for hunting. No Full-Metal Jackets .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Tub Report post Posted February 12, 2021 coyotes are not game animals 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Couzer Report post Posted February 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Bowtech said: Thank You 5guyshunting, 2. A person shall not take big game using full-jacketed or total-jacketed bullets that are not designed to expand upon impact, A Full-Metal Jacket with a lead core is still a Full-Metal Jacket. Hollow points, Soft points, or Ballistic tips are the only bullets that can be used for hunting. No Full-Metal Jackets .... Absolutely, some are lead core. Some are total-jacketed bullets that are designed to expand. Sometimes when we see a total-jacketed bullet we assume they will not expand, just need to research what type of Total-jacket bullet you are using. Thanks for posting Bowtech. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PRDATR Report post Posted February 12, 2021 223 works, most of the time. But if you want to get serious get a 22-250. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Delw Report post Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Bowtech said: Thank You 5guyshunting, 2. A person shall not take big game using full-jacketed or total-jacketed bullets that are not designed to expand upon impact, A Full-Metal Jacket with a lead core is still a Full-Metal Jacket. Hollow points, Soft points, or Ballistic tips are the only bullets that can be used for hunting. No Full-Metal Jackets .... You need to rephrase that to BIG GAME. "A Full-Metal Jacket with a lead core is still a Full-Metal Jacket. Hollow points, Soft points, or Ballistic tips are the only bullets that can be used for hunting "BIG GAME". No Full-Metal Jackets .... EXCEPT FOR NON BIG GAME" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edge Report post Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Big Tub said: coyotes are not game animals They are. How and where they're hunted is regulated by the AZGFD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CatfishKev Report post Posted February 12, 2021 Ahhh, thanks for the clarification guys. I always thought any fmj was not allowed for hunting. I learned something new today. I lucked into an anderson lower from a neighbor. Hopefully I'll have momma a yote gun built by the end of the weekend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CatfishKev Report post Posted February 12, 2021 This is what i got. Looked em up and it says good for target practice. Can not tell if lesd core or steel? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Couzer Report post Posted February 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, CatfishKev said: This is what i got. Looked em up and it says good for target practice. Can not tell if lesd core or steel? If I had to guess I would say steel, cut one open and find out? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
