5guyshunting Report post Posted February 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, UggRedBilly said: If you see any camera out of season take it down. It's not like they use seasons to determine when game should be taken. Or is that too hard to enforce as well? I do think there are seasons or dates for game to be hunted. If not, your saying you can hunt any thing whenever you want. News to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UggRedBilly Report post Posted February 12, 2021 1 minute ago, 5guyshunting said: I do think there are seasons or dates for game to be hunted. If not, your saying you can hunt any thing whenever you want. News to me. Well the issues lie with the premium elk units and any unit north of the big ditch. It's not an issue as much in most others. I dont think people are posting cameras in the "premium" javelina unit with the prime genetics. That isnt the issue. Most of it lies within elk, deer and maybe bighorn in a few cases Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted February 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, UggRedBilly said: Well the issues lie with the premium elk units and any unit north of the big ditch. It's not an issue as much in most others. I dont think people are posting cameras in the "premium" javelina unit with the prime genetics. That isnt the issue. Most of it lies within elk, deer and maybe bighorn in a few cases What 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UggRedBilly Report post Posted February 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, trphyhntr said: What Well if an abundance of cameras being out during deer and elk seasons isnt the issue what is? Because all I saw was you guys bashing outfitters who had all these cameras for these deer and elk units during season all these stories on how they block off areas and there is fighting over water holes. Take away cams during season and it's a mystery and gamble for everyone. By the time most these seasons come around the deer and elk will have moved from their summer range anyways. But what's the issue? Is your favorite squirrel hunting spot being taken over by outfitters and their darn cameras? Did you loose your chance on the HUUGGEEE 250 pound javi? Yeah I highly doubt it. A season is a great compromise and easily enforceable. You see the camera take it. That simple. A lotta folks already take them anyways! I bet some of you are pros! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted February 12, 2021 17 minutes ago, UggRedBilly said: Well if an abundance of cameras being out during deer and elk seasons isnt the issue what is? Because all I saw was you guys bashing outfitters who had all these cameras for these deer and elk units during season all these stories on how they block off areas and there is fighting over water holes. Take away cams during season and it's a mystery and gamble for everyone. By the time most these seasons come around the deer and elk will have moved from their summer range anyways. But what's the issue? Is your favorite squirrel hunting spot being taken over by outfitters and their darn cameras? Did you loose your chance on the HUUGGEEE 250 pound javi? Yeah I highly doubt it. A season is a great compromise and easily enforceable. You see the camera take it. That simple. A lotta folks already take them anyways! I bet some of you are pros! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UggRedBilly Report post Posted February 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, trphyhntr said: Didnt your parents teach you to use your words? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted February 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, UggRedBilly said: Didnt your parents teach you to use your words? I legit have no idea what you’re talking about or what your point is. Are you under the impression that cameras are only used on the strip? Because that’s not the case Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted February 13, 2021 Why do you think it’s ok to steal cameras? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UggRedBilly Report post Posted February 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, trphyhntr said: I legit have no idea what you’re talking about or what your point is. Are you under the impression that cameras are only used on the strip? Because that’s not the case I'm saying most the problems are caused uo there. A huge majority of them. I've been to a whole lotta units and never seen issues other than up in those premium units for elk or deer. Scouting in unit 10 was a mess too. Also no I am saying people are stealing cameras. It's just sarcasm. A lot of what I am saying is. Even the seasons comment I first mentioned. I mean a season is nice from February through july. Because not as much of the popular bug game is hunted. I think the only exception is turkey javi and bear right? But I would really love a season because cameras are really cool! Like just for pics of animals. I just got one of a moutain lion dude! Really cool! I'll share them soon if you're curious. I dont wanna use them as a hunting tool. I used it for my bab deer this year to locate animals. But I'm not sure the locating part is really for me. I enjoy more of e scouting and putting boots on the ground! But the images and just being able to see them is just really really neat to me. That's why the mean a lot to me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted February 13, 2021 I’m trying to get the gist of your point. Which i think is a lot of cams is a problem but a few isn’t. So at what point then do they become a problem, 2 cams on a water hole? 3, 4, what’s the number that they become a problem. idk why you brought up javelina, like that all there is outside of kaibab or something. there’s large trophy deer south of the ditch also Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted February 13, 2021 58 minutes ago, UggRedBilly said: A lotta folks already take them anyways! I bet some of you are pros! I bet you’re probably guilty of what you accuse others of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UggRedBilly Report post Posted February 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, trphyhntr said: I’m trying to get the gist of your point. Which i think is a lot of cams is a problem but a few isn’t. So at what point then do they become a problem, 2 cams on a water hole? 3, 4, what’s the number that they become a problem. idk why you brought up javelina, like that all there is outside of kaibab or something. there’s large trophy deer south of the ditch also Personally I dont have an issue with cams at all. But from what I can tell from others, the main issue is when there is surveillance across the entire unit almost at all water sources just for 1 group of hunters or a few outfitters. That obviously isn't fair chase! I think that the adverage joe with a few cams isnt the issue at all. It clearly is those outfitters who try and cover the whole unit with cams. I am also aware there is trophy opportunities in every unit. I seen some nice ones near phoenix! But by the time the season comes around those deer can be in a completely different spot. Which is why it is good. I think the cameras can benefit more than hurt if they are used as a season. Like monitoring antler growth, sometimes predator rates in areas! But I believe a season is the best way to fix that abuse of cameras. I would be lying if I said they weren't abused and I'd be lying if I said I dont understand why you guys were against it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UggRedBilly Report post Posted February 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, trphyhntr said: I bet you’re probably guilty of what you accuse others of. I swear on God and everything I love I dont steal. Especially out in the field. We all share the same hobby and passion for hunting. Why ruin it for others 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, UggRedBilly said: Personally I dont have an issue with cams at all. But from what I can tell from others, the main issue is when there is surveillance across the entire unit almost at all water sources just for 1 group of hunters or a few outfitters. That obviously isn't fair chase! I think that the adverage joe with a few cams isnt the issue at all. It clearly is those outfitters who try and cover the whole unit with cams. I am also aware there is trophy opportunities in every unit. I seen some nice ones near phoenix! But by the time the season comes around those deer can be in a completely different spot. Which is why it is good. I think the cameras can benefit more than hurt if they are used as a season. Like monitoring antler growth, sometimes predator rates in areas! But I believe a season is the best way to fix that abuse of cameras. I would be lying if I said they weren't abused and I'd be lying if I said I dont understand why you guys were against it In one breath you say you don’t have problems with cams, in the next you say they’re not fair chase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, UggRedBilly said: I swear on God and everything I love I dont steal. Especially out in the field. We all share the same hobby and passion for hunting. Why ruin it for others Why are you accusing people on here of stealing cams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
