this is interesting

[.270]

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/n...ghwayRules.html

 

don't know how much effect it will have on hunting, but it's interesting. i can't wait until they think of saying condors have dust in their lungs. Lark.

[SilentButDeadly]

they can 'ban' people all they want.... If you don't put rangers out there to enforce the current laws it means nothing... They've got 0 dollars allocated for new law enforcers -- which if they had there wouldn't be the problem in the first place.

[rugerman]

As of August first the price of a State Land permit is increasing from $15 to $50. Buy the permit and then get banned from the land. Nappy is trying to balance the budget and keep the desert pristine right up until they cover it with tile roofs.

[stanley]

Hey rugerman, can you tell more (or provide a link with details....) on the '$15-$50" thing you mentioned?

 

Specifically; Do you know if a valid AZ hunting and/or fishing license still satisfies the requirement? It has been my assumption that as long as I possess a valid hunting license, that I am allowed on AZ State Trust land. Any more details on this would be appreciated....

 

Thanks!

S.

 

[rugerman]

here you go

 

 

 

http://www.land.state.az.us/news/2008/072208_news.htm

 

I believe the hunting license still covers us for now. I bet it won't be too long before they end that loophole. Alot of offroad people are already figuring out that a hunting license is cheaper.

 

[ichiban43]

In a thread on another forum--I believe now defunct- people were maintaining that a valid hunting license was fine--except you had better be hunting!! Otherwise, you need a permit. Better check it out to be safe.

 

BOB

[BACKCOUNTRY]

According to the Pinal County Deputy that pulled me over way out in unit # 37B, "you must be game fully and legally pursuing a game animal" otherwise you are tresspassing!!!

 

Yes I had a hunting license, but I was only out scouting, and that to him was not good enough!

 

So he ran me off.

 

Now I have a State Trust Land use permit with me at all times!

 

If I had my .22 cal rifle, I could have told him that I was Bunny hunting.

 

But now I know!!!

 

Thanks MR Deputy sir...

[tjhunt2]

IMO....

 

TJ

[Browning'sCustomMeat]

IMO....

 

TJ

 

ME TOO!!! A BUNCH OF BS.

 

[NRS]

In a thread on another forum--I believe now defunct- people were maintaining that a valid hunting license was fine--except you had better be hunting!! Otherwise, you need a permit. Better check it out to be safe.

 

BOB

The decision that a hunting license was valid for access to state trust land was an opinion from the Arizona Attorney General based on the laws and the state constitution. The Atty. general at the time was Bruce Babbitt, who is still alive and living in Arizona.

[.270]

read the state statute on it. it's printed on the sign. from what i remember, as long as you pay taxes in Az. you have every right to be on state land. they may be able to hassle you if you don't have a hunting or fishing license and don't have one of their little permits. but you don't have to have a permit if you have a hunting license. the proceeds that go from state land leasing go to the school system. a lot of states call state land "school sections". i'd hafta say the cop was a liar. there is something legal to hunt in every unit in Az. 365 days a year. and hunting without intending to take game, is still hunting. there are ranchers who abuse the heck out of their state leases and if a guy wants to pursue it, you can get em into a fair amount of trouble for locking it up. unless there have been major changes in Az, you can hunt and fish on state land at anytime without any special permit. just a license. and any cop that says otherwise is a liar. that is Az. in colorado state leased land is about the same as private land. the guy with the lease controls who can and can't access it and can lock it up and you can get in trouble if you trespass. Arizona ain't that way. a lot of state land has special regulations, like all the "M" units. you can usually only hunt with a bow in those places. and there is a lot of state park lands that you can't hunt on. but you can get legal access to it to hunt, fish, hike, camp, horseback, birdwatch and any other form of recreation you can think of. if what the cop said was true, you wouldn't be able to go hardly anywhere below the rim. there is state land everywhere. i've had misinformed (lying) cops tell me i was trespassing and threaten me and i told em to give me ticket and we'd settle it in court. they backed off on the ticket threat but insisted they were right, but wouldn't give me a ticket. even after callin' em ever dirty name i could think of, and i know a bunch of em.

this is copied right off the state land website.

"You do not need an ASLD Recreational Permit if you are actually hunting or fishing on State land with a valid hunting or fishing license issued by the Arizona Game and Fish Department. All other recreational activities require an ASLD Recreational Permit. Commercial recreational activities or recreational events that charge a participation fee, i.e. hot air balloon rides, jeep tours, hayrides, horseback rides, bicycle races, equestrian events, ultra light aircraft, etc., may be considered under an ASLD Special Land Use Permit, but not under an ASLD Recreational Permit."

 

don't let anyone, even badgepackers, keep you from using your rights. they are rights. nothing is more sacred in this country.

Lark.

[EBB]

This whole PM-10 dust thing is really annoying. The EPA staffers sit in Washington and figure out ways to make our lives better for us. They pass dust regulations and pass them on to the State, who in turn passes them on to the County who wastes all of the time they have alotted. They then ask the State to help. Under the threat of losing the Federal Highway funds the State Legislature passes a Statute requiring all cities and towns in "Area A" to pass an ordinance to limit "Fugitive Dust" and the Statute has the requirements needed for the Towns and Cities. Absolutely no choice at the local level. BUt the State did it this way hoping that the municipalities would "buy in" as partners in solving the problem. All municipalities in "Area A" drank the coolaid. I live in Cave Creek and am on the Town Council. I voted no on both readings, but it passed 6-1.

Until the States stand up to the Feds we're going to lose more and more. EBB

[KGAINES]

Arizona State Trust lands are not "public lands", as are Federal lands under the management of the U.S. Forest Service or the Bureau of Land Management. Federal "public lands" are managed for the benefit and use of the public, while State Trust lands are managed for the benefit of 14 Trust beneficiaries, which include the public schools and prisons. The Land Department's trust management responsibilities include requiring a permit or lease and charging a fee for use of Trust land. Exceptions to this requirement are licensed hunters and fishers, actively pursuing game or fish, in-season, and certain archaeological activities permitted by the Arizona State Museum.

 

This is from their website as well, but Lark is right, you can hunt whatever is in season where ever it is allowed, and since they allow it you can do it. Carry a pellet or slingshot and you are probably legal, just check AZGFD for weapons allowed to hunt small game.