Your next President?

[DesertBull]

He is, by far, the most liberal, socialistic, candidate to ever win nomination. He will have a liberal congress to work with. He is going to get whatever he wants, for at least the 1st 2 years of his term.

 

One of the things he wants, is your guns.

[ac guy]

Good point KGAINES. I'm amazed Bush hasn't been taken out by a Muslim extremist. Anyone in that office is subject to harm, lib or Conservative.

[ac guy]

One of the things he wants, is your guns.

What guns ;)

[KGAINES]

He is, by far, the most liberal, socialistic, candidate to ever win nomination. He will have a liberal congress to work with. He is going to get whatever he wants, for at least the 1st 2 years of his term.

 

One of the things he wants, is your guns.

 

If he wins, and that is a big, big if. To me I am glad he got the nomination instead of hillary, I could be wrong, but I think he is easier to beat.

 

He will only get the liberal vote in my opinion, McCain will get the conservative and the moderate vote.

 

There are probably about 80,000,000 gun owners in the U.S., I wonder how many of those vote.

 

 

 

 

[DesertBull]

He is, by far, the most liberal, socialistic, candidate to ever win nomination. He will have a liberal congress to work with. He is going to get whatever he wants, for at least the 1st 2 years of his term.

 

One of the things he wants, is your guns.

 

If he wins, and that is a big, big if. To me I am glad he got the nomination instead of hillary, I could be wrong, but I think he is easier to beat.

 

He will only get the liberal vote in my opinion, McCain will get the conservative and the moderate vote.

 

There are probably about 80,000,000 gun owners in the U.S., I wonder how many of those vote.

 

Not enough

 

Obama is going to win in a landslide.

 

[KGAINES]

Well if he is elected and with the congress we have we will be Canada for a couple of years, but it won't be like we would be Mexico, you can't change from a capitolist society to a socialist society in a couple of years in a country like ours. What you can do in a couple of years is open up the public's eyes to what he really is, we have a group of people out there that think Bill Clinton was the greatest thing ever and that George Bush has ruined everything, most of those people can't make decisions on their own and need someone to tell them how to live, someone to give them their welfare, their healthcare, create a dependency on the government, alllow our government to be ruled by the U.N., these are the same people who vote for whoever the current drug addict rockstar tells them to, or the current drug addict actor or actress tells them to, these are the same people who line up to protest the troops, but proclaim the freedoms that those people put their lives on the line for daily, these are the same people who claim God doesn't exist and that evolution is the way the world was created, that scientific theory is always correct, that Rev. Wright can say God dang America and still be hailed as a friend and teacher to the man they want as president, then they can go to heck, but they can't change this country in a few years.

[TLH]

I don't know about that DB--i think McCain will be the winner only because of the Reagan Democrats and the woman democrats. Remember, woman vote far more than men and the woman who wanted Hillary are not going to vote for Obama--Obama has the African American vote, some of the young people and that is just about it--oh, and the liberals. McCain has the Conservative voters, the right wingers, and a lot of the votes from democrats that don't want anything to do with a junior senator that has no business being a President.

 

In the end i think Obama will be seen as the rookie he is and the more experienced candidate will prevail--we have a long way to go to Nov. and a lot of things can and will happen.

 

I take McCain and it won't be that close either---remember Mondale?? He was a shoe in too.

[hunt4horns]

I wasn't rying to be cool, he's just too anti- and that alone will be tough on him! He wants your guns and way too far extremist.

[HEADACHE]

 

 

[acharenio]

The last thing we need is another liberal neocon in the White House. If the Presidency of George W. Bush proved anything, it proved the hazard of electing phony Republican conservatives. At least one is able to clearly see a liberal for what he or she is when they have a "D" behind their name. But put an "R" behind the name and suddenly their liberal, Big-Government, anti-freedom agenda is barely recognized, which makes a liberal Republican much more dangerous than a liberal Democrat.

 

Let me say it straight out: a John McCain Presidency would be far worse than a Barack Obama Presidency. With a Democrat in the White House, conservatives and Christians suddenly find their principles and are able to offer resistance. Put a Republican in the Oval Office, however, and those same people become blind, deaf, and dumb to most any principle they profess.

 

Nowhere is McCain's chicanery and duplicity more jeopardous than in the area of the right to keep and bear arms. On issues relating to the Second Amendment, John McCain is a disaster! For example, the highly respected Gun Owners of America (GOA) rates McCain with a grade of F-. McCain's failing grade is well deserved.

 

John McCain sponsored an amendment to S. 1805 on March 2, 2004 that would outlaw the private sale of firearms at gun shows. According to GOA, the provision would effectively eliminate gun shows, because every member of an organization sponsoring a gun show could be imprisoned if the organization fails to notify each and every "person who attends the special firearms event of the requirements [under the Brady Law]."

 

John McCain also sponsored an Incumbent Protection provision to the so-called "Campaign Finance Reform" bill, which severely curtails the ability of outside groups (such as GOA) to communicate the actions of incumbent politicians to members and supporters prior to an election.

 

The GOA report of the 106th Congress reveals that out of 15 votes relating to the right to keep and bear arms, Senator John McCain voted favorably only 4 times. Put that into a percentage and McCain's pro-Second Amendment voting record is a pathetic 27%.

 

In addition, GOA warns that John McCain supported legislation that would force federal agents to increase efforts in arresting and convicting honest gun owners who may inadvertently violate one of the many federal anti-gun laws, which punish mere technicalities, such as gun possession.

 

For example, if John McCain's proposed legislation were to become law, a gun owner who travels with a gun through a school zone or who uses one of the family handguns to go target shooting with a 15-year old could be sent to prison. And a person who uses a gun for self-defense could be sent to prison for a mandatory minimum of five years.

 

But there is so much more to the McCain madness.

 

Former California State Senator H.L. "Bill" Richardson wrote this about John McCain, "He's [McCain's] proven his dislike for conservatives and would gut us at every opportunity.

 

"Why do I say that? Because of three decades of experience as a Republican California Senator and a fifty year activist in the conservative movement. I have first hand, in-their-face experience with elitist RINO's (Republican in Name Only) office holders. They are biblically ignorant, power hungry, status seeking egotists who have no difficulty aiding their liberal Democrat colleagues whenever their arms are politely twisted. The one thing they have in common with liberal Democrats is their dislike for all conservatives, especially those who are Bible-believing. McCain, as president, would stifle the voices of elected Republican leaders and try to legislate the conservative movement out of existence."

 

Senator Richardson went on to say that he would in no way vote for John McCain, if indeed McCain is the Republican nominee (which he obviously will be).

 

I wonder how many gun owners and other professing pro-freedom Americans have already fallen victim to McCain's phony conservative campaign? Do they not realize that they are giving a rope to the hangman? And that they--conservatives and gun owners--are the ones who McCain will send to the gallows? What is wrong with the American people these days? Have they not been betrayed enough by these phony conservative Republicans?

 

For example, President George W. Bush recently nominated Michael Sullivan to be Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. Sullivan is one of the nation's most rabid anti-gunners. GOA's Larry Pratt describes Sullivan as being "as anti-gun as Ted Kennedy." Honest gun owners, lawful firearms dealers, and law-abiding gun show operators could have no worse enemy within the federal government than Michael Sullivan. We could expect no worse from Hillary Clinton. And a John McCain Presidency would doubtless give us more of the same.

 

Regarding the Second Amendment, the American people have no better friend than Ron Paul. He has a 20-year proven track record of fidelity to the right to keep and bear arms. The GOA rates Congressman Paul with a grade of A+. According to GOA Executive Director Larry Pratt, Ron Paul has been a leader in the fight to defend and restore the Second Amendment. He has sponsored legislation to repeal the following: the Brady law; the requirement to lock up your guns; the law permitting the U.S. to be part of the U.N (which, among other attacks on American freedoms, seeks to ban privately transferred firearms); participation in UNESCO; federal prohibitions on any pilot wishing to carry a handgun to and in his cockpit; and the so-called "assault weapons" ban (prior to its sunsetting in 2004).

 

Ron Paul has also sponsored legislation requiring states to treat the concealed carry permit of one state the same as they do that state's driver's license. Dr. Paul also opposes a national ID card, which would be a tool of government to identify gun ownership.

 

Gun owners (along with conservatives and Christians of all sorts) should be ashamed of themselves for allowing an angry, gun-grabbing liberal such as John McCain to become the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee, while rejecting the candidacy of one of America's most principled pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, pro-Constitution, and pro-freedom legislators of this generation: Congressman Ron Paul.

 

I say again, the last thing we need is another liberal neocon in the White House. John McCain may have an "R" behind his name, but he is just another establishment liberal: one America cannot afford.

scary isn't??

[DesertBull]

I agree, especially about Ron Paul, but Obama is much than just a liberal and he is going to have a big time majority in both houses of congress to givehim everything he wants. Either way, we are screwed.

 

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http://www.campaignforliberty.com/

 

 

LETTER FROM RON PAUL

 

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Dear Supporter,

 

These past 17 months have been among the most exciting and eventful of my life. Together you and I delivered a message of freedom the likes of which American politics had not seen in decades. I wasn?t sure the country was ready for it. But it was a message, I discovered, that many Americans had been waiting for a long time to hear.

 

I have been blessed with the most informed, well read, and enthusiastic supporters of any presidential campaign. Your extraordinary efforts in organizing and fundraising grabbed the attention of millions of Americans and shocked just about everyone in politics and the media. I still cannot get over all the fantastic work you did.

 

Something of great significance has just occurred in our country?s history.

 

With the primary season now over, the presidential campaign is at an end. But the larger campaign for freedom is just getting started. Therefore, I am happy to announce the official launch of the Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty.

The work of the Campaign for Liberty will take many forms. We will educate our fellow Americans in freedom, sound money, non-interventionism, and free markets. We?ll have our own commentaries and videos on the news of the day. I?ll work with friends I respect to design materials for homeschoolers.

 

Politically, we?ll expand the great work of our precinct leader program. We?ll make our presence felt at every level of government, where just a few people with our level of enthusiasm can make a world of difference. We?ll keep an eye on Congress and lobby against legislation that threatens us. We?ll identify and support political candidates who champion our great ideas against the empty suits the party establishments offer the public.

 

We will be a permanent presence on the American political landscape. That I promise you. We?re not about to let all this good work die. To the contrary, with your help we?re going to make it grow ? by leaps and bounds.

 

This is the most ambitious venture of my political career, and I think it can achieve great things. But I can?t do this alone. I need you to help me. I need your energy, your creativity, your ideas, and your dedication.

 

People frustrated with our political system often wonder what they can do. I have founded this organization to answer that question, to give people the opportunity to do something that really makes a difference in the fight for freedom. Please join me by becoming a member of the Campaign for Liberty. Our goal is 100,000 members by September. Can we reach it?

 

Our campaign netted 1.1 million votes in the primaries of a shrinking Republican Party. Millions more support us. I need you to help me reach them ? and to keep making new converts to the cause. What a force we can be, if only we rise to the occasion.

 

Now what about the Republican Convention in St. Paul? Our delegates will attend, of course, and I expect our contingent to have a visible presence there. Without disruption, we will do whatever we can to influence the party and its platform, and return the GOP to its limited-government roots. This is very important.

 

This brings me to my second announcement. I invite you to join us at Williams Arena at the University of Minnesota on Tuesday, September 2nd, for a grand rally. We intend to draw over 11,000 people. We?ll have live music and entertainment, and special guests. I?ll address you all as well. A massive rally will generate still more interest in our ideas. And what a great time it will be.

 

Remember that it was Senator Robert Taft, who shared our views, who was called Mr. Republican. But we are not merely the Republican Party?s past. If the enthusiasm of young people for our campaign is any indication, we are also its future.

 

Right now I will need your patience and input as we develop our program and assemble just the right team of individuals. But it is my intention to launch the Campaign for Liberty in its full capacity at our rally in Minneapolis this September.

 

Over the past week we?ve learned that the Democratic presidential nominee, supposedly an antiwar candidate, is committed to the same rhetoric, the same propaganda, and the same aggressive intentions toward Iran as the Bush administration. As usual, the major parties refuse to offer Americans a real choice.

 

The Campaign for Liberty will lay the groundwork for a different America, the kind of America you and I, and millions of our fellow countrymen, want to inhabit.

 

?Dr. Paul cured my apathy,? a popular campaign sign read. Others said our campaign cured their cynicism. We have now reached a moment of great moral decision: will we let ourselves retreat into apathy and cynicism once again, or will we dig in for the long haul and fight all the harder? Will we retire from the scene quietly, or will we give the establishment the fight of its life?

 

?In the final analysis,? I wrote in my new book The Revolution: A Manifesto, ?the last line of defense in support of freedom and the Constitution consists of the people themselves. If the people want to be free, if they want to lift themselves out from underneath a state apparatus that threatens their liberties, squanders their resources on needless wars, destroys the value of their dollar, and spews forth endless propaganda about how indispensable it is and how lost we would all be without it, there is no force that can stop them.?

 

The time has come to act on these words. May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in a moment of great crisis, stood up to the politicians, the opinion-molders, and the establishment, and saved their country.

 

Join us, and be a part of it.

 

For liberty,

 

[ac guy]

Ron Paul is Libertarian. Libertarians believe drugs should be legal, and abortion is okay. I'll never vote Libertarian. Obama is a Marxist, two steps below a Liberal. The people he has followed through his life have written and spoken some very scary statements.

[DesertBull]

Ron Paul is NOT a libertarian. Not even close. He is staunchly pro-life.

[ac guy]

You obviously know more about him than I. My bad. Pro-life is in the top 3 requirements for me personally. Possibly more important than 2ad, and I'm fanatically pro 2ad.

[DesertBull]

You obviously know more about him than I. My bad. Pro-life is in the top 3 requirements for me personally. Possibly more important than 2ad, and I'm fanatically pro 2ad.

 

 

I agree 100%.

 

I would never vote for a advocate of abortion. That is sick.