Coach Report post Posted May 2, 2020 This has been on my mind a lot, and I'm sure others. I'd like some folks with more legal experience to chime in. So we have a state of emergency with the c-19 thing, and we see state governors basically getting to create laws with no due process whatsoever. In Michigan it's what stores can stay open, and then what you can buy there and what you can't, who you can visit and why. In California, you can be cited while sitting in your car watching a sunset. All across the country there's countless examples of usurpation of the legal process including who can cross state lines and what they must go through in terms of quarantine, etc. So, it seems that once a "state of emergency" is declared, laws don't have to go through any process of approval, they just become mandate immediately. This scares me a lot. The police are out there enforcing these pseudo-laws that are just the whim of a single person. It takes a long time for a bill to become an actual, recognized law. There's supposed to be a process there that vets the law before it becomes enforceable. If this experience has taught me anything, it's that the government can basically strip us of all rights, force us into self confinement (incarceration), shut down businesses and basically control every aspect of our lives without any form of due, legal process, if they deem it to be "in our best interest". Tell me if I'm wrong, but this seems to be shining a huge spotlight on an Achilles's Heel in our system. The threshold between order and tyranny is paper thin, and in my mind doesn't hold up to our Constitution, or our basic premise, as a Constitutional Republic. I'd like to hear your opinions. -Coach 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muledeerarea33? Report post Posted May 2, 2020 I totally agree with you. Had this been a more severe attack on our rights I doubt policing agencies would enforce it. They have families to take care of too. But as long as it’s kept “mild” rights will be violated without prejudice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Delw Report post Posted May 2, 2020 Governor can not make new laws or any laws, the legislators only can . the gov can make recommendations and thats it. in which most cases they did and people assumed they were laws. unless of coarse they declare Marshall law, then they can make the laws I believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ctafoya Report post Posted May 2, 2020 About time to push back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
biglakejake Report post Posted May 2, 2020 take a minute and read what the governor of new mexico has decided for gallup....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ctafoya Report post Posted May 2, 2020 Yeah I saw that a while ago. My parents still live in nm and believe the bs going on there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
biglakejake Report post Posted May 2, 2020 lots of my roots go through gallup. bad deal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ctafoya Report post Posted May 2, 2020 Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigbuckfever Report post Posted May 2, 2020 Ill be curious to see how the courts are going to rule on all the lawsuits that will spring from the fallout of these constitutional abuses. The sheer volume of businesses that are going to go under can't even be fully understood yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildwoody Report post Posted May 2, 2020 Its the democrat's plan, socialism, this is a test and we passed lined up like sheep to slaughter. 99% of this is unconstitutional.. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dustin25 Report post Posted May 2, 2020 I love freedom as much as anyone here. What do you suggest the government do? If they did nothing, virtually everywhere in the country would look a lot like New York did at its worst. Probably worse actually, because as bad as it got they even did a stay at home order... likely millions dead in our country, many of them younger healthier people that couldnt get basic health care because the sheer numbers overwhelming our hospital system.... I don’t see the benefit of these conspiracies people keep pushing. There’s always many conspiracy theories thrown out EVERY time anything significant happens. Time has shown that they are virtually NEVER true. i think the government is just trying to keep the millions dead scenario from happening. Maybe they went too far, like in war, this is a pandemic. I’d rather they try to do too much then too little. nothing this bad has happened to the world in over a century. im just not buying the conspiracy that it’s to try to take our freedom away. Doesn’t make any sense. just my point of view. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted May 2, 2020 51 minutes ago, dustin25 said: If they did nothing, virtually everywhere in the country would look a lot like New York did at its worst. Probably worse actually probably not. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dustin25 Report post Posted May 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, trphyhntr said: probably not. Why not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted May 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, dustin25 said: Why not? new york is 8.4 million people in 302 square miles. climate. lifestyles. phoenix is less than 2 mill people in 517 miles. why would be like new york or worse? 2/3's of the world didnt do any shutdown. ny has a death rate 200x higher than the other 10 biggest cities in the world and tokyo had 93 deaths they didnt shut down. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mc68 Report post Posted May 2, 2020 New York made some terrible decisions that made the problem much worse. Dustin, if you really do love your freedom, you should see that your rights are being stepped on immensely through this. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
