HuntHarder Report post Posted March 7, 2020 30 minutes ago, Big Tub said: Think there is a big difference between the .223 and the .300? I am a huge fan of the 300 blackout. It packs some serious punch and with 190 gr. sub sonics and my supressor it is almost silent. Literally, the action makes more noise than the round does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Couestracker Report post Posted March 8, 2020 On 1/6/2020 at 10:19 AM, Big Browns said: I've spoke with G&F and was told any AR with a brace is legal. To be a legal for HAM hunts, the AR lower has to be made and marked as "pistol only" by the manufacturer. You can't put a pistol brace on an AR rifle lower, that would still be considered a rifle, and with a shorter barrel it would be an illegal SBR. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muledeerarea33? Report post Posted March 8, 2020 The only thing that makes a lower a “rifle” lower is if it’s been built and sold as a rifle. If the stripped lower was sold... well, stripped, it does not have to be marked “pistol” to be built as a pistol. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oz31p Report post Posted March 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, muledeerarea33? said: The only thing that makes a lower a “rifle” lower is if it’s been built and sold as a rifle. If the stripped lower was sold... well, stripped, it does not have to be marked “pistol” to be built as a pistol. I have several that we’re bought at complete rifles and that were built from a stripped lower . None designate pistol or rifle 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThomC Report post Posted March 8, 2020 Only primitive weapons should be allowed. But todays hunter needs all the help that they can get to kill a pig. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muledeerarea33? Report post Posted March 8, 2020 40 minutes ago, oz31p said: I have several that we’re bought at complete rifles and that were built from a stripped lower . None designate pistol or rifle If they were sold thru an ffl as a rifle then it would be illegal to make them a pistol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntHarder Report post Posted March 8, 2020 26 minutes ago, muledeerarea33? said: If they were sold thru an ffl as a rifle then it would be illegal to make them a pistol. This is true as far as I know. A lower does not have to be marked pistol for it to be a pistol. Like was stated, stripped lowers are sold as both or others. If a 4473 has been filled out on the lower and it was designated rifle, it would be illegal to put a short barrel in it and then call it a pistol. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
520HUNT Report post Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, HuntHarder said: This is true as far as I know. A lower does not have to be marked pistol for it to be a pistol. Like was stated, stripped lowers are sold as both or others. If a 4473 has been filled out on the lower and it was designated rifle, it would be illegal to put a short barrel in it and then call it a pistol. So if I have a lower that was sold as a rifle and I change it to a pistol by putting short barrel and a brace on it and then sell it to a friend thru a FFL who fills out a new 4473 for the transfer, is it now considered a pistol since I have a 4473 that says pistol? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muledeerarea33? Report post Posted March 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, 520HUNT said: So if I have a lower that was sold as a rifle and I change it to a pistol by putting short barrel and a brace on it and then sell it to a friend thru a FFL who fills out a new 4473 for the transfer, is it now considered a pistol since I have a 4473 that says pistol? No because it was sold as a rifle first. You technically broke the law by making it a pistol and selling it. If it was a home build on a virgin lower then no ones the wiser but still illegal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
520HUNT Report post Posted March 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, muledeerarea33? said: No because it was sold as a rifle first. You technically broke the law by making it a pistol and selling it. If it was a home build on a virgin lower then no ones the wiser but still illegal. Is the FFL at fault (breaking the law) by issuing a legal document 4473 saying it's a pistol? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntHarder Report post Posted March 8, 2020 Nope, they didnt know you broke the law. Fault lies solely with you. If gun is used in a crime in the future, they will go to where the firearm/lower was first sold and work the paper trail from there. The 2nd ffl is not required to investigate the dealings of the rifle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muledeerarea33? Report post Posted March 8, 2020 22 minutes ago, 520HUNT said: Is the FFL at fault (breaking the law) by issuing a legal document 4473 saying it's a pistol? I’d like to say no but I’m not smart enough to be sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
520HUNT Report post Posted March 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, muledeerarea33? said: I’d like to say no but I’m not smart enough to be sure. So if you're buying a used AR Pistol, how do you know if it's legal? Is there a way to research what the original 4473 listed the gun as? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildwoody Report post Posted March 8, 2020 On 1/5/2020 at 7:10 PM, Big Browns said: My wife and I use this custom 6.5 Creedmoor Savage Striker. Your hand is a little low there Adam 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntHarder Report post Posted March 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, 520HUNT said: So if you're buying a used AR Pistol, how do you know if it's legal? Is there a way to research what the original 4473 listed the gun as? Same way dont know if that gun has been used in a crime. Chance you take Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
