Anyone know the family washed away in Tonto Basin?

[elkaholic]

4 -D10 dozers, 2 -450 trackhoes.

30 -  20 ft by 12 ft corrugated pipe

5000 yrds of concrete

Make for one heck of a culvert 

10 times cheaper  that a 12milion dollar bridge

 

[CouesPursuit]

Regardless of cost this is great news for fisherman, hunters, and the residents of Tonto Basin. 

[muledeerarea33?]

1 hour ago, wish2hunt said:

Not as big of waste as the money they spend for designs on the side of the freeways.

I’ve heard that 1% of the project budget has to be for “art” state law or something like that.

[Boarman03]

"Let he who has no sin cast the first stone". So easy to judge and scapegoat.

I, like many of you, have been blessed that my ocasional poor decision did not result in tragedy. 

What punishment is worst than having to live with the loss of children, and the rift that may exist between relatives for the rest of their mortal lives. The depression, physical and emotional pain.

And how easy it is for those removed from the immediate circle to judge, scapegoat, and attack.

As a society we have become nasty, judgemental and vindictive. Where does forgiveness, compassion, and sympathy fit in? Have we lost it as individuals, groups, societies, and nations?

It is becoming too risky to bear and raise kids. Too risky to get involved donating time with youth, or helping anyone. 

What purpose does it serve to press charges against the parent(s). Now the rest of us can feel better?

Will that change the helplessness felt by everyone associated closely with this tragedy?

Does a history of high risk taking exist for the parent(s) involved?

Have very many of you watched helplessly as someone died do to another person's momentary lapse in judgement witnessing the entire event as it unfolded?

Even just once and it affects you for life! Several times and it still hits as hard every time.

One learns to live with what they've witnessed, but it never goes away. Do you honestly believe the driver will ever stop reliving those final moments in those children's lives, or the seconds, minutes, hours, days after? 

There could never be enough booze, drugs, or punishment that could change those terrible memories. And not just for this lifetime, but for any potential life or eternity hereafter.

I pray and feel for all involved. There will be nobody who knows of this event who won't be affected by it. Be careful how you let it define you.

 

[PRDATR]

5 hours ago, Boarman03 said:

"Let he who has no sin cast the first stone". So easy to judge and scapegoat.

I, like many of you, have been blessed that my ocasional poor decision did not result in tragedy. 

What punishment is worst than having to live with the loss of children, and the rift that may exist between relatives for the rest of their mortal lives. The depression, physical and emotional pain.

And how easy it is for those removed from the immediate circle to judge, scapegoat, and attack.

As a society we have become nasty, judgemental and vindictive. Where does forgiveness, compassion, and sympathy fit in? Have we lost it as individuals, groups, societies, and nations?

It is becoming too risky to bear and raise kids. Too risky to get involved donating time with youth, or helping anyone. 

What purpose does it serve to press charges against the parent(s). Now the rest of us can feel better?

Will that change the helplessness felt by everyone associated closely with this tragedy?

Does a history of high risk taking exist for the parent(s) involved?

Have very many of you watched helplessly as someone died do to another person's momentary lapse in judgement witnessing the entire event as it unfolded?

Even just once and it affects you for life! Several times and it still hits as hard every time.

One learns to live with what they've witnessed, but it never goes away. Do you honestly believe the driver will ever stop reliving those final moments in those children's lives, or the seconds, minutes, hours, days after? 

There could never be enough booze, drugs, or punishment that could change those terrible memories. And not just for this lifetime, but for any potential life or eternity hereafter.

I pray and feel for all involved. There will be nobody who knows of this event who won't be affected by it. Be careful how you let it define you.

 

Watching your child take their last breath will haunt you forever. There is no peace.

[AZLance]

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-breaking/2020/12/15/parents-plead-not-guilty-tonto-creek-incident-killed-3/3909805001/

[PRDATR]

"The two parents pleaded (Pled) not guilty at their arraignment — a common practice as a plea deal typically isn't yet available. State officials have since called for federal funding to construct a bridge to prevent similar incidents from occurring.

[CouesFanatic]

The fact that the state agreed to build a bridge should help the parents case hopefully. I don't see how an accident like this could be classified as child abuse. 

[AZBIG10]

If the family loses this case. The state is opening g a can of worms. Via The stupid motorist law could equate as attempted involuntary manslaughter. Just sayin

[AZBIG10]

The state wants to hold parents accountable.

Meanwhile..

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azcentral.com/amp/379974001

[NoBull350]

51 minutes ago, AZBIG10 said:

If the family loses this case. The state is opening g a can of worms. Via The stupid motorist law could equate as attempted involuntary manslaughter. Just sayin

No the people that cross raging creeks will be opening up a can of worms . 

[AZLance]

2 hours ago, PRDATR said:

"The two parents pleaded (Pled) not guilty at their arraignment — a common practice as a plea deal typically isn't yet available. State officials have since called for federal funding to construct a bridge to prevent similar incidents from occurring.

you showing off your copy and paste skills??

[5guyshunting]

Leave these people alone.

[AZBIG10]

2 hours ago, NoBull350 said:

No the people that cross raging creeks will be opening up a can of worms . 

What about people that cross units? Is that a thing or no?

[NoBull350]

4 minutes ago, AZBIG10 said:

What about people that cross units? Is that a thing or no?

What’s funny is that’s a bigger thing than 3 innocent children being taken from this earth ! Shows how fkd up you are !