Sheriff Joe

[Coues 'n' Sheep]

Sheriff Joe is the ONLY guy in the entire border region that is doing anything proactive about illegal immigration! He is trying to brake the complacent mold that our law inforcment agencies seem to have and is catching heck for it! I do believe that more people support him, than hate him, but you only hear the "Vocal Whiners". I think we could all do a lot more to vocally support this Sheriff and his Deputies who are putting there A$$es on the line every day out there! Most folks are afraid of being branded a " Biggot" just because they are not "PC"..... that is what is very wrong with this country right now. In a Texas border county near where I was just turkey hunting they have gone through 6.... yes, 6 sheriff's in the last year!!!! Why, you might ask.... They have ALL been assasinated on US soil by Mexican Mafia!!! Yeah, they don't plaster that all over the evening news do they.... And we don't have a problem with our neighbors to the South, in this country?????

 

I am not a biggot!!! I hate EVERY human being that is a Criminal, or a Sucker & a Drain on our economic system regardless of Race or Creed..... it just so happens that in our region of the country the majority of that "drain" is coming from Illegal Mexicans right now!!!!! Yes, I said the "M" word.... because "Latino" would mean that I was pointing my finger at ALL Latin Americans (meaning South & Central America) and it just so happens that most of them are from MEXICO!!!! Which makes them Mexicans..... and that does not make it a bad word! I love going to Mexico to vacation and I like the Mexican people I meet when I am there. And I conduct myself as gentalman and a visitor, in Their counrty, and I am the visitor.... They don't seem to be nearly as courtious when they "visit" my country.....

 

 

Go JOE

 

Joe is a GREAT Sheriff!!!!!

However, Joe is not getting my vote for President.... I like my gun rights to much...

 

CnS

[BASS]

He gives me a job, so I guess that means I have to like him. But I liked him well before I worked for him though, and as far as his final decisions go, we have one of the best policies to enforce our rules ever. He trusts us to take care of the job, and allows us to use all of the latest and greatest to do it safely. I would like to get paid a little better, but hey it's not bad for a punk kid!

[300 wsm]

I back Joe up 100%. I think America would be a better place if we had a Joe in every county. I really wish there was one up here in Navajo county. There are way to many illegal Mexicans up here, cause they dont do anything about it up here.

[Non-Typical Solutions]

When my wife and I were teaching school in Ash Fork we would have days where all of the sudden the halls were full of parents collecting children because the Megre(sp) were coming to make a sweep.

We had alot of illegals there working the stone quarries. The families that were there were good families and hard workers, but illegal just the same.

 

One night at a high school basketball game we had a pepper spray bomb, heck I don't know what it was, anyway, it went off and we had to evacuate the building, call 911 because we had people who couldn't breath. It was a mess. My oldest boy who was 10 years old at the time, happened to see the kid who set it off and gave the police a description.

 

It was a kid who was attending school there, illegal. We were told he got deported back to Mexico. But, he was back on the streets of town less than two weeks later.

 

Up here in the White Mountains they have been running articles in the paper about families being split up because some are stuck here in the USA and some of them have had to go home to Mexico due to the new immigration laws. I feel for the families, but illegal is illegal.

I feel bad for people who are hooked on crack and stealing my stuff to support their habit, but it is still against the law.

 

I take my hat off to Joe and the work he is doing, wish we had more like him and BASS, you as well. If you are out there in the trenches, have mercy on you and you don't get enough for the work you do. Wish I knew what I could do to help you guys out..........

 

 

and......AYE on slapping the mayor if Phoenix..............I know I am crossing the PC lines....but isn't he proclaimed gay as well?????

 

 

This picture is seriously messed folks, time to start getting things straightened out......

[.270]

i still wonder why folks can't figger out the word "illegal"? if i break the law and get caught, i pay the consequences. why don't folks who broke the law the instant they crossed the border have to do the same thing? i read the other day in the paper that Az. doesn't hold anyone caught smuggling marijuana, unless they have over 500 pounds! 500 pounds!! a three wire bail o' hay weight around 100 or so. so if you only have 4 and half three wire bails o' dope, they just take the dope and turn ya loose. arrest em all joe, send em home, it'll work out. Lark.

[mjmhunter]

Been watching alot of the news with Joe and Illegals. Last night alot of people voicing their concern that people were afraid to come out and go to church, eat out or social events because of Sheriff Joe and his roundups.

 

Am I missing something here.....people are afraid?? Why??

 

Is it because they don't have the proper documentation to be in this country?

 

They are criminals with a record??

 

I don't get it.......

 

So now, Joe has to give 48 hours notice that he is doing a roundup.........I still don't get it.......somebody help me out here that is maybe closer to the situation and has a better idea of what the heck is going on.

 

I won't get to involved in an open forum on this subject. I'm the Detective Sergeant of the unit that is under the microscope on the subject of Illegals with the Sheriff's Office. The members in my unit are dual certified and can enforce immigration law when a lawful contact has been made. I just wanted to make a correction to your term "roundups." My unit does not do roundups(which is illegal), we conduct saturation patrols in areas based on specific written complaints from members of the communities about criminal activity in their area.

 

The Sheriff's Office is catching a lot of heat over these saturation patrols because the media outlets focus on the illegals arrested during these operations. What the media fails to relay is that the majority of the people arrested during these operations are US citizens. The numbers on a recent operation were a total of 46 subjects arrested and of those 46, 7 were in this county illegally.

 

Manny

[GodIsGood]

Please keep doing what you're doing Manny & Joe! 30yrs ago my father was a sherrif in MCC's mounted posse & I was proud of his contribution. I watch and read with disgust at the resistance y'all get from the media and from spineless elected officials.

 

I feel badly for the plight of hispanic folk who only want to make a living - but if MX sucks so much, then they should over throw their government or become southern states of the United States. We may have a butt load of our problems, but MX minus its rampant corruption would be an AWESOME country with vast untapped resources.

 

The "fear factor" to Joe's high-profile enforcement is the impact to business that rely [perhaps heavily] on hispanic shoppers or workers. Let's not forget that if you boot out 40MM people who did not come here legally, those 40MM people still shopped for necessities and nice-ities [and paid taxes on sales], rented or bought homes and cars, generated revenue for businesses... while our economy is in a tail spin - the micro and macro impact of 40mm people leaving is a swift kick in the crotchal-region. I know it has hit my part of the Valley

 

it's tough and necessary to resist getting prejudice about illegal immigrants - except for thems that commit crimes. I dont think we should deport the criminals until they have served a looooooooooooooong time on the border building the fence to keep them out!

 

my .02

[105Coues]

I think Joe is doing a great job and we should consider him for the first human cloning.

[mattys281]

I've always found Sheriff Joe to be a really amusing guy, but his latest exploits don't really strike me as coming from a guy who's fed-up. They strike me as coming from someone who want's to be know as "the only one who did something about it", probably to further a political agenda.

 

If they want to round-up & deport every mexican drug-dealer, car-thief, gang-banger, murderer & rapist they can find & send them all back to mexico, that's fine with me. While they're at it, I hope they "accidently" send some others of the same caliber, but of different ethnicity/nationality, too. Get all the thugs out of here. I don't, however, see the benefit of getting rid of a bunch of cheap labor, especially when the headlines on all the news programs are crying about the economy. Personally, I travel quite a bit & I don't want to end up spending $150 a night at the Motel 6, because Tom Bodet's maids all got netted & now he's paying some white gal $20/hr w/ benefits to change the sheets & leave the light on for me.

 

I know, crying liberal.......

[DesertBull]

So, you like it that we exploit cheap labor, let the thugs in right along with those that are actually trying to work, so hamburgers and hotel rooms are cheap? Not to mention that we encourage them to cross the desert on foot, endangering their lives. All for cheap labor? How about we lock down the border and let those in that can prove they are not criminals and just want to work and blend in with the rest of us?

 

Then, as people here legally, they don't have to worry if Joe is going to round them up, if their employer is going to cheat them because he knows they cannot say anything and all the other stressful things that go along with living on the run from the law?

 

I get tired of hearing how those that want the laws enforced are inhuman and lack compassion. What is so humane and compassionate about enticing people to walk through the Sonoran desert, hire dangerous coyotes to bring them over, who often steal from them, beat them and rape them? What is compassionate about having 35 people crammed into a house, no water, power, a/c?

 

It is the Gov't on the other side of the border that lacks compassion. If they really cared about their people, they would improve things on that side instead of telling them to risk their lives to come here.

[.270]

matty, read what mjmhunter wrote. 46 arrests, 7 were illegals. doesn't sound like a big roundup to me. sounds like they got a pretty good cross section of the population.

 

desertbull, you're right on. this crap about cheap labor is the same excuse the southerners used to keep slaves. "who else is gonna pick the cotton?". looks to me that a buncha folks want to have some sort of caste system, or at least a bunch of 3rd class illegal citizens just to do work cheap, who never will have a chance to become Americans and try for the brass ring. Lark.

[mattys281]

So, you like it that we exploit cheap labor, let the thugs in right along with those that are actually trying to work, so hamburgers and hotel rooms are cheap? Not to mention that we encourage them to cross the desert on foot, endangering their lives. All for cheap labor? How about we lock down the border and let those in that can prove they are not criminals and just want to work and blend in with the rest of us?

 

I don't consider it explotation that you offer a low-skill, low-paying job up to anyone who wants it, and a certain person takes it. Is it explotation when the 14 year-old white/black kid down the road cuts your weeds for $5/hr? We don't encourage anyone to cross the desert, our economy does. I've never known a Mexican person who snuck over here because they loved white folks so much, the come here because the economy in norther Mexico is crap & they can earn some cash here. As for locking down the border, I've long held the opinion that since the Mexican gov. encourages & their people to come here, and even hands out pamphlets that educate them on the best ways to do it (I've seen one of the pamphlets), that constitutes an invasion, which is an act of war. Our military should lock down the border. That isn't going to happen though, because while wars sell newspapers and pad defense contractor pockets, the American people, taken as a whole, don't have the stomach for massive blood shed on our soil.

 

Then, as people here legally, they don't have to worry if Joe is going to round them up, if their employer is going to cheat them because he knows they cannot say anything and all the other stressful things that go along with living on the run from the law?

 

I get tired of hearing how those that want the laws enforced are inhuman and lack compassion. What is so humane and compassionate about enticing people to walk through the Sonoran desert, hire dangerous coyotes to bring them over, who often steal from them, beat them and rape them? What is compassionate about having 35 people crammed into a house, no water, power, a/c?

 

Hope that one wasn't directed at me, because I never said they were inhuman, I just said I think he (Sheriff Joe) has alterior motives. I think that guy's antics are hilarious, and if he ever runs for gov, he'll get my vote. In this case, however, I think the county's resources are better spent other ways than conducting round-ups in Guadalupe. And I agree, there is nothing humane about human trafficing, at least not that I'm aware of.

 

It is the Gov't on the other side of the border that lacks compassion. If they really cared about their people, they would improve things on that side instead of telling them to risk their lives to come here.

 

Bingo. Trade embargos, threat of military action, or whatever, our gov. needs to apply pressure first, then Mexico will fold like a house of cards. Make them secure the border.

 

You have to keep in mind too, that in our state, illegal immigration from Mexico gets all the press because it's local. They're not the only people sneaking over here. My little bro. spent the last two years in Boston on recruiting duty for the Army & according to him there's a huge problem with illegal Irish. In San Diego, there's the mexicans plus the phillipinos & the vietanese. God only knows how many different nationalities are present illegally in NY city. I'm sure there's more mexicans than any others, as their right next door, but immigration as a whole is a complicated issue with a real simple solution. Just enforce the laws that are already in place. Hey, Sheriff Joe might be on to something with that line of thought.

[mattys281]

matty, read what mjmhunter wrote. 46 arrests, 7 were illegals. doesn't sound like a big roundup to me. sounds like they got a pretty good cross section of the population.

 

desertbull, you're right on. this crap about cheap labor is the same excuse the southerners used to keep slaves. "who else is gonna pick the cotton?". looks to me that a buncha folks want to have some sort of caste system, or at least a bunch of 3rd class illegal citizens just to do work cheap, who never will have a chance to become Americans and try for the brass ring. Lark.

 

I don't know what minimum wage is at now, but I do know that it's gone up at least 3 times over the last 15 years & never once did I get a raise to compensate for it. Nobody makes those people come here & nobody makes them take a low-paying job. As a guy that is definetely not independently wealthy, I don't feel bad for a minute over saving money because someone else is willing to do a crap job for low pay. If they feel they're being exploited, they can always make a 180° turn & start walking.

[KGAINES]

So, you like it that we exploit cheap labor, let the thugs in right along with those that are actually trying to work, so hamburgers and hotel rooms are cheap? Not to mention that we encourage them to cross the desert on foot, endangering their lives. All for cheap labor? How about we lock down the border and let those in that can prove they are not criminals and just want to work and blend in with the rest of us?

 

Then, as people here legally, they don't have to worry if Joe is going to round them up, if their employer is going to cheat them because he knows they cannot say anything and all the other stressful things that go along with living on the run from the law?

 

I get tired of hearing how those that want the laws enforced are inhuman and lack compassion. What is so humane and compassionate about enticing people to walk through the Sonoran desert, hire dangerous coyotes to bring them over, who often steal from them, beat them and rape them? What is compassionate about having 35 people crammed into a house, no water, power, a/c?

 

It is the Gov't on the other side of the border that lacks compassion. If they really cared about their people, they would improve things on that side instead of telling them to risk their lives to come here.

 

 

I don't know what we spend a year in welfare in this country, but if we was to collect the habitual welfare abusers put them in a truck and ship them to Mexico it would cost way less and then maybe they could live there on 1/4 of what it costs to keep them here, we take problems from there and we give them problems from here . If the border was structured to allow true honest workers through who are trying to better themselves this situation wouldn't be a problem, plus people that are here legally and are welcomed would be encouraged to learn the language and maybe become U.S. citizens and not be looking over their shoulder until the day they head back to Mexico. Both of these would help Sheriff Joe out alot. If you get rid of the people that sit on their tails and have kids so they can get more welfare, free insurance(free for them while we pay a premium for ours plus taxes for theirs), and complain that it's not enough while they abuse the system and won't work at a minimum wage job because they perceive that as being below them and they would rather steal or break the law for their money, it would free up a ton of money and taxes for the people that deserve it. If that solution don't work, they can have the welfare people show up daily at a designated area, bus them to the farms and low paying labor jobs and make them put in a full day for pay, and if you don't show up you lose food stamps and your access insurance, keep that up and keep abusing the system have the state take the kids from them, these non motivated drains on our economy would change their attitude quickly. DB the people that you say walk through the desert and endure what they do to work these jobs are the ones we need to find a way to allow them to work here legally. If their was a way to kick the heck out of Mexico and stabilize that country where the people there wanted to stay and build a better country for themselves it would be that much better. The resources that country has and the lack of utilization has to be changed and it has to start with the people, then maybe support from other countries would enable a complete turn around for them.

[crotalus]

During the "saturation patrols" have any of the "employers" been nabbed? Last I remember Az voters made it a "crime" to knowingly hire illegal aliens and pulls the business licenses of those which do so, the so called business death sentence. The law has withstood the attacks of several lawsuits and upheld by a federal judge most recently. I would use the same rational, if one is busted in a whorehouse crib; you cannot claim ignorance of not knowing that prostitution was going on all around you. There is only one reason to go the red-light district and that's to pay for sex. Just like if you drive by a known pick up spot for illegal day labors and pick up an illegal alien take them to a job site, are you not guilty of transporting illeagal aliens? Cut off the the supply of money and "criminal activity" will cease. I think it's total BS that the people doing the illegal hiring aren't getting dinged or at least I'm not hearing about them getting nabbed as well. Until the law is equally applied I reserve judgement on these "antics".