Swivelhead Report post Posted August 28, 2019 The scenarios that have been brought up in previous posts do not concern me. I have already used my copious amount of lope points to get a good friend drawn for a tag. He went hunting, I donated mine to a worthy organization and feel really good about doing so. When I do finally pull my permit, come heck or high water, I'm going hunting. Got a ton of deer points (19), when I finally draw 13B and am part of the max point pool, I will likely exercise PG and donate that tag to a worthy organization. I'll hunt the following year. Providing a wounded vet with an opportunity for a hunt of a lifetime is a good thing. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StickFlicker Report post Posted August 28, 2019 Even for those that "abuse" it how many times can they really do it? Maybe once every 12 years. And it's the others on the tag that benifit not really the pointholder. Its not like they are gonna kill a monster 2 years in a row. There are several well known hunters that draw deer and elk tags in prime units every year or two because of this. Randy Ulmer has drawn 4 or 5 Unit 13B archery deer tags in the last 6 years. Others have done the same. This isn't always as rare as many of you seem to think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outdoor Writer Report post Posted August 28, 2019 15 hours ago, bonecollector said: I have no problem with it. The person building the points has to buy a license every year, app fees, and PG fees. Its a revenue maker. Although I now have a senior lifetime license, I did that for many years and now because of medical issues, I'm done hunting. So I'm sitting on 18 points for antelope, 19 for elk, 24 for bison, 6 for deer ad 4 for sheep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yotebuster Report post Posted August 28, 2019 27 minutes ago, Outdoor Writer said: Although I now have a senior lifetime license, I did that for many years and now because of medical issues, I'm done hunting. So I'm sitting on 18 points for antelope, 19 for elk, 24 for bison, 6 for deer ad 4 for sheep. Are you saying they’re for sale 😁 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yotebuster Report post Posted August 28, 2019 What people haven’t pointed out here is that the tag doesn’t go unused. It get reissued. So someone still burns points every year to utilize that tag. The main problem with point systems is lack of turnover thus leading to point creep. In this case as long as the tag gets reissued and someone claims it, the turnover occurs and that’s what keeps it going. It is kind of a dick move to drop a primo tag in the next high point guys lap with no time to scout, but I’ve never heard anyone complain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grey curse Report post Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, yotebuster said: The main problem with point systems is lack of turnover thus leading to point creep. This is more of the point I was making and how it effects everyone. Thus being the reason “why are you concerned with how other people live their life?“ Also with as many people saying they think this use of pg is legal and morally okay. It effects draw odds, Maybe not by much but still effects it. Also if tags are donated back to an organization “ which I think is the only way a tag should be returned” no points are used thus increasing point creep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StickFlicker Report post Posted August 28, 2019 3 hours ago, yotebuster said: What people haven’t pointed out here is that the tag doesn’t go unused. It get reissued. So someone still burns points every year to utilize that tag. The main problem with point systems is lack of turnover thus leading to point creep. In this case as long as the tag gets reissued and someone claims it, the turnover occurs and that’s what keeps it going. It is kind of a dick move to drop a primo tag in the next high point guys lap with no time to scout, but I’ve never heard anyone complain. Grey curse is correct. A great many of the people that return tags give them to a non-profit organization. The recipient doesn't use any of their own points, so these primo tags are being used with no depletion of bonus points to the other hunters that are competing for those hard to draw tags like there would be if the tag were returned to G&F and resold to the next hunter that would have drawn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstcoueswas80 Report post Posted August 28, 2019 I'm not a fan of people manipulating the system. Nothing illegal about it, I'm just personally not a fan of it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stanley Report post Posted August 28, 2019 Ugh..... Hate hijacking an original post, but my mind is wondering now. I thought that the points were 'averaged' between applicants when 2 or more put in on the same application??? So if one person has 10 points, and one person has none, that the group application would have 5 points (chances) in the lottery draw??? S. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigorange Report post Posted August 28, 2019 16 hours ago, AZLance said: I have 22 Antelope points and will sell my points for anyone wanting to put in with me! I'm entertaining offers... Only if it’s Unit 10. I don’t want any 80” bucks. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roosevelt Mark Report post Posted August 28, 2019 That was some redundant reading material. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigorange Report post Posted August 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, stanley said: Ugh..... Hate hijacking an original post, but my mind is wondering now. I thought that the points were 'averaged' between applicants when 2 or more put in on the same application??? So if one person has 10 points, and one person has none, that the group application would have 5 points (chances) in the lottery draw??? S. That’s correct. I think the extreme is maybe more common...if I have 8 points (which I think I do for lope) and put in with Lance who has 22, then I suddenly have 15 pts to my credit. Maybe I should PM Lance. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outdoor Writer Report post Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, stanley said: Ugh..... Hate hijacking an original post, but my mind is wondering now. I thought that the points were 'averaged' between applicants when 2 or more put in on the same application??? So if one person has 10 points, and one person has none, that the group application would have 5 points (chances) in the lottery draw??? S. Yup, correcto. So if the guy with 10 applies with me and my 19 elk points, he winds with 15 and the average of the two for that application --total 16 numbers spit out by the computer. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outdoor Writer Report post Posted August 28, 2019 5 hours ago, yotebuster said: Are you saying they’re for sale 😁 Well...I was thinking of putting them out there for bids, but I don't want to upset Casey. 😉 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oz31p Report post Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Outdoor Writer said: Well...I was thinking of putting them out them for bids, but I don't want to upset Casey. 😉 Offer him a discount Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
