Is this our next president?

[Outdoor Writer]

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The reason Nappy won the first time was she was running against Salmon, A very capable candidate except he happened to be LDS and many in the so called Christian Right could not support that, so they did not vote ...Bob

 

Duh!!!

 

BTW, the delegates from the electoral college generally vote according to the popular vote. That's why every individual's vote counts. -TONY

[KGAINES]

Every since I turned eighteen I have voted, it was made clear to me that one of the reasons this country is great is that we can all vote, rich, poor, man, woman, any citizen regardless of race, this has been fought about and changed since this country was founded all the way up until 1965 I think to allow everyone to vote once you are of age. Many don't vote and it seems to me those are the biggest whiners around, when what or who they want loses, if you don't vote then you shouldn't complain.

Lark you are right on with the electoral college.

[Coues 'n' Sheep]

Got this one today.... thought Lark might like it!

 

The Post Turtle

 

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old Texas rancher, whose hand

was

caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation

with

the old man.

 

Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our President.

 

The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, Obama is a 'post turtle'."

 

Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'post turtle'

was.

 

The old rancher said, "When you're driving down a country road and you come

across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle'."

 

The old man saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so he continued to

explain.

 

"You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he

doesn't know what to do while he is up there, and you just help but want to knock the

dumb a$$ down from there."

 

 

[KGAINES]

Got this one today.... thought Lark might like it!

 

The Post Turtle

 

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old Texas rancher, whose hand

was

caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation

with

the old man.

 

Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our President.

 

The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, Obama is a 'post turtle'."

 

Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'post turtle'

was.

 

The old rancher said, "When you're driving down a country road and you come

across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'post turtle'."

 

The old man saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so he continued to

explain.

 

"You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he

doesn't know what to do while he is up there, and you just help but want to knock the

dumb a$$ down from there."

 

 

 

Here's another

 

Hillary Clinton and her driver were cruising along a country road one evening when an old cow loomed in front of the car. The driver tried to avoid it but couldn't - the old cow was killed.

 

 

 

Hillary told her driver to go up to the farmhouse and explain to the owners what happened. She stayed in the car making phone calls to lobbyists.

 

 

 

About an hour later, the driver staggered back to the car with his clothes in disarray. He was holding a half empty bottle of expensive wine in one hand, an expensive Cuban cigar in the other and was smiling happily, smeared with lipstick.

 

 

"What happened?" asked Hillary.

 

 

"Well," the driver replied, "the farmer gave me the cigar, his wife gave me the wine, and their beautiful twin daughters made mad passionate love to me! ."

 

 

"My God, what did you tell them?" asked Hillary.

 

The driver replied: "I said, I'm Hillary Clinton's driver, and I just killed the old cow."

[bobbyo]

bobbyo, because of the electoral college, your vote does count. it is one of, if not the most, brilliant things ever devised. it makes every state relevant in the presidential election. because of the electoral college, all gore isn't the president. not because of the crap in florida either. if he would have carried either his home state of tennesee or the clinton's home state of arkansas, florida wouldn't have mattered. but he didn't look at either state as worth his effort because they only have a couple electoral votes each. i ain't gonna go into a gov't lesson here, but the electoral college is set up so that new york, california and maybe one or 2 other big states don't elect every president. if it was just popular vote, that is exactly what would happen. because of the electoral vote and the way it spreads around electoral vote, every state has real improtance in the election. in 2000, it was the best example ever of how things work. the NRA bombarded tennesee and arkansas with anti-gore adds, more than any other state, and they swayed the vote in both places. and those 2 states turned the election. all we ever hear about is florida and hanging chads and a stolen election, but if gore would have spent some time in his home state, he would have won anyway. and in the florida, the system worked "EXACTLY" how it was supposed to. don't listen to the media BS. the electoral college is a great thing. go to wikipedia or some other good source and read up on it. i know they don't teach any of this stuff in school anymore, so if you got outta high school in the past 20 years, you may not know much about it. so educate yourself. the founding fathers were brilliant and inspired beyond comprehension. Lark.

 

Lark sorry for my tardy response some how your post did not show up between my two most eloquent responses to the issues and then it suddenly pops out of no where. Has this happened to anyone else? Anyway, better late than never. I actually know a little about that "brilliant" electoral college and have even passed actual tests on the subject. Your take on the infamous subject is quite possibly the most positive spin I have ever heard on the electoral college, though you are technically right as far as the electoral college as used today. One state congressman one vote. ect. This is fine in giving the states an equal playing field in electing our chief executive. We could argue on the merits of this or whether it was our forefathers true intentions until we both have worthless doctoral degrees, but this strays from my original point which was quite simply giving Mrs. Quimby an individual voter the go ahead to not vote if her heart and soul was not into it. Why should Mrs. Quimby have to settle for someone she doesn't like, just because the other person may be worse. Is that what our great country is down to. The less vile of two evils. No vote, lets give her a guilt trip. Our country is not only free because we can vote. It is also free because we do not have to vote. Remember totalitarian states require 100% voter participation for their one candidate. Some would argue our two party system does not give one much more of a choice-- two identical candidates that are for and by the corporations. So i believe due to the illustrious beauty of the before mentioned electoral college Mrs. Quimby can with a clear conscience choose not to vote. Because of the electoral college her non vote is not a de-facto vote for the other side.

 

Outdoor writer, great, quote me out of context! What are you a journalists?

 

Bob

[.270]

i've never bought into the logic of not voting because no candidate was perfect. i'm going to vote for the best candidate and try real hard to support them. if the lesser of two evils is the only choice, i'll take that choice over not using my vote. like i say, i have more real heartburn over cindy's family than i do mccain's politics. hopefully he'll get a veto pen with a lotta ink, because he's gonna have a real liberal congress and senate. but so did Reagan, and he did ok. it's gonna be interesting. Lark.

[Outdoor Writer]

Rembrandt,

If McCain has to worry about carrying Arizona in the election then he might as well quit now. He won't have a chance.

 

The reason Nappy won the first time was she was running against Salmon, A very capable candidate except he happened to be LDS and many in the so called Christian Right could not support that, so they did not vote and in the reelection the Republicans didn't even put up a fight. Does anyone remember who ran against Nappy in that one?

 

Desert Bull, I believe it is important to vote if you are informed. I am not for 100% voter participation unless their is a basic knowledge of govt and candidates. I would even be for a simple test. If everyone actually voted could you imagine the tickets. We would have Brittany Spears and Paris Hilton vs. Brad and Angelina. Voter participation for the sake of voting bad. informed voting good.

Bob

 

Here ya go in context. The point doesn't change. (see below)

 

Duh!!!

 

BTW, the delegates from the electoral college generally vote according to the popular vote. That's why every individual's vote counts. -TONY

 

AND...

 

NOT voting can change the outcome to something we don't want whether it's by popular vote or through the electoral college. Even if the choices aren't what we would like, that non-vote matters because regardless, the election poceeds and the outcome stands. So yes, a vote even for the lesser of two evils is better than none at all. -TONY

[Rembrant]

Len Munsil was the latest Republican candidate for governor.

And I voted for him.

And the Christian right did also.

Mike

[GodIsGood]

It always amazes me that men I have met and thought I knew, some who have served in the Marines, would abstain from voting at all - because they arent thrilled with any of the available candidates. I dont believe that reason at all! More often I believe they use that excuse to cover for laziness - being a political slug and a part of the problem - not the solution.

 

When were we thrilled with any of the presidential candidates? The best available people on either side are too smart to run because of the YEARS of character assassinations and bi-partisan bickering they will endure. Not since Reagan or perhaps even including him have we had a candidate to be excited about. The closest thing to a "straight-up regular guy" running was Mike Huckabee the zealot who released WAY too many violent offenders as gov, or Bill Richardson, tonk anchor baby from NM.

 

But by refusing to vote, regardless of your party, your beliefs, or your perception of whether your vote is gonna make a difference - you HAVE cast a vote... by not adding your support to the "LEAST WORST" candidate, you ensure the "ABSOLUTE WORST" is gonna prevail. I have even heard conservatives say " let the demoncrats have it all - they will run this country so far into the ground that a Republican revolution will rise from ashes" maybe.... but only after a decade or more of suffering - where we seem to already be headed.

Complacency coupled with the media bias is killing this country! Win or lose - if you're not going to vote you should move to France where SURRENDER and capitulation is their legacy.

[wetmule]

Couldn't agree more GIG, makes absolutely no sense to me not to vote even if it is the lesser of three evils. It's pretty clear to me that a vote for Obama or Rodham is a vote for higher taxes, liberal judges legislating from the bench, bigger government, bigger blob of a beaurocracy than we already have, more wasteful spending etc., etc. that will push this country closer & closer to the SanFrancisco type socialist marxist system of control. Not voting is as good or bad (however you look at it) as voting for Billary or Barama. McLame at least says he will appoint conservative judges that will follow the constitution, he will reign in this pathetic pork earmark spending and he will not raise taxes. That's three things I agree with McLame on. Personally I can't find one thing I agree with the other two on and I don't want either of them answering the white house phone at three in the morning. Having slick Billy back in the Whitehouse or worse Obama is a scary proposition. Find at least one thing and go vote or hold your nose and vote.

[DesertBull]

Obama is the scariest candidate EVER. He is in favor of banning all semi-auto weapons, letting the UN impose a tax on the USA, and many other things that will jeopardize our sovereignty as a nation.

 

Oh, and Hillary, I do not want your "free health care". You get what you pay for and I will gladly pay for my own Dr and my own insurance.

[Coues 'n' Sheep]

All have to say is where is Ronald Reagan when you really need him??? Things are soooo Jacked up around here that only a leader as good as him Might have a chance of fixing it in the next 4 years... I'm thinkin' we have 6-10 years of heck in front of us at best.... and things will never be as good as they used to be.... We need a business man for a President..... not a left wing phsyco extremist, not a crooked woman, and truthfully not a soldier. McCain is our best choice and I think he will be a decent President, but he is not going to fix the immigration flood, the economy, or the fuel issues...... and the other two idoits are WAY worse!!!

 

Just my $.02

 

CnS

[GodIsGood]

Gino's right when predicting a period of suffering - not matter what nor who. Once folks lose confidence in the economy and stop spending to squirrel away their nuts - then people who relied on their spending get laid off, unemployment goes up, the gas companies and oil-producing companies KNOW they have us by the short hairs - so inflation is bound to continue to rise. But demoncrats think we can RAISE taxes, keep more money out of everyone's pockets and things will get better - remember they are repealing the Bush tax-cuts.

 

I like the "McLame" name... but I had heard a rumor floated on talk radio that he no intentions of seeking a second term even ifin the Republicans wanted him. If he picked someone with economy-moxy, the Republicans could retain the executive branch and maybe would only be stuck with 4years of his decrep1d keester

 

Still feel there is a war to fought [notice I didnt say WON] because the current war on terrorism is a clash of religious ideology that wont be solved until JC returns to sort-out His sheep, and because of that reality I wouldnt mind having McLame in the Commander-in-chief seat. Notice how our counter-terrorism efforts no longer have the ability to listen-in on our enemies without a warrant? Thank the Lib's and ACLU for making it easier to be a terrorist or kill Americans. My feeling is that if Big Brother accidentally listens-in on a cell phone call of me talking dirty to my wife - HAVE AT! ... but the folks who might be dealing dope or conducting illegal activities... OH NO! DONT LISTEN TO MY CALLS!!!

 

McLame wont stand for the that kind of crap!

 

Billery is toast... now that the word is out about her taxes, $109,000,000 made since Bill left office, how is she gonna connect with the little people she claims to represent???

 

Also, we could be on the verge of a racial revolution because any way Billary or McLame were to beat Barak Husien O - it's gonna "diss"enfranchise the vast majority of persons of color - even though most of them have no clue how inexperienced, unprepared, clueless and dangerous he is. And dont get me wrong, I could care less about the color of our leader's skin - but it's character that counts, and the count for Obama is ZERO.

[mattys281]

Gino's right when predicting a period of suffering - not matter what nor who. Once folks lose confidence in the economy and stop spending to squirrel away their nuts - then people who relied on their spending get laid off, unemployment goes up, the gas companies and oil-producing companies KNOW they have us by the short hairs - so inflation is bound to continue to rise. But demoncrats think we can RAISE taxes, keep more money out of everyone's pockets and things will get better - remember they are repealing the Bush tax-cuts.

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall from my econ classes, inflation & the unemployment rate usually move opposite one another do to exactly what you said: people stop spending. The law of supply & demand shows that when demand for a certain good drops, so does the price, hence a bunch of people getting laid off might cause havoc in the stalk market, but for those of use with cash reserves who manage to hold on to our good-paying jobs, we'll be able to purchase more goods for our dollar. The u.s. dollar will drop in relationship to the Euro & the UK pound (big surprise) in relationship to the GDP & as a result of our "instability", but will actually end of having high purchasing power in our domestic markets, in the hands of the people that still have money to spend.

[.270]

matty, nobody on here wants some smart@$$ with real facts and good info to get in the way of a good arguement. Lark.