UPS loses cabelas TAGS

[Huntn coues]

Here is what Cabelas has to say.

 

 

 

 

 

March 13, 2008

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for your recent correspondence.

 

 

A lot of misinformation and rumors are going around about Cabela’s T.A.G.S. program and late Arizona elk and antelope hunting applications. We are currently working through a well-defined administrative process with the Arizona Game and Fish Department, a process open to any hunting license applicant or any other customer of the game and fish department.

 

 

Despite rumors you may have heard or read, Cabela’s has never implied, discussed or threatened any lawsuit against the State of Arizona or the Arizona Fish and Game Department. We absolutely do not intend to pursue a lawsuit against the department no matter their decision. Cabela’s considers the Arizona Fish and Game Department, and all state fish and game departments, partners and co-supporters of all the outdoor sports we all hold dear.

 

 

We are simply representing hunters, who through no fault of their own, stand to miss out on a chance to participate in the Arizona draw. And, further to that point, we are asking not only on behalf of T.A.G.S. customers, but on behalf of all men, women and youth hunters whose applications may have been similarly delayed by unforeseen circumstances as permitted by Arizona statute. These hunters are not just customers of Cabela’s, but customers of Arizona Fish and Game Department. We believe their case should be heard.

 

 

With full faith in the administrative process, Cabela’s will abide by and respect the decision of the Arizona Wildlife Commission and the Arizona Game and Fish Department.

 

 

Thank you for contacting us and I hope this helps clarify the matter.

[AZP&Y]

With full faith in the administrative process, Cabela’s will abide by and respect the decision of the Arizona Wildlife Commission and the Arizona Game and Fish Department.

 

 

Sorry cabela's sportsmen - YOU LOSE!

 

AzP&Y

[KGAINES]

blah blah blah

 

They did answer though

[Huntn coues]

Does anyone know what statute they are talking about? And what process they are talking about???

[firstcoueswas80]

You guys are blaming Cabelas.. Shouldn't you be blaming UPS???? UPS is on the hook for this one.

 

What does the law read? Does it say postmarked or received on the deadline???

 

 

 

J

 

 

Last time I checked, UPS is not the one who is putting the pressure on AZGFD with threats of a law suit.

[GameHauler]

Just got the same form letter.

 

And Yes I did respond back to it

[couesdiehard]

Hunt N Coues - Here's what I found:

 

Arizona Revised Statute 17-231. General powers and duties of the commission

 

A. The commission shall:

 

1. Make rules and establish services it deems necessary to carry out the provisions and purposes of this title.

 

2. Establish broad policies and long-range programs for the management, preservation and harvest of wildlife.

 

3. Establish hunting, trapping and fishing rules and prescribe the manner and methods which may be used in taking wildlife.

 

AND:

Arizona Game & FIsh Commission Rules

R12-4-104

Application Procedures for Issuance of Hunt

Permit-tags by Drawing and Purchase of

Bonus Points

 

C. An applicant for a hunt permit-tag or a bonus point

shall complete and submit a Hunt Permit-tag Application

Form, available from any Department office, the

Department’s Internet web site, or a license dealer. An

applicant shall apply at the times, locations, and in the

manner established by the hunt permit-tag application

schedule that is published annually by the Department

and available at any Department office, the Department’s

Internet web site, or a license dealer. Under A.R.S. § 17-

231, the Commission shall set application deadlines for

hunt permit-tag drawing applications. The Director has

the authority to extend any draw deadline date if problems

occur that prevent the public from submitting a

hunt permit-tag application within the deadlines set by

the Commission.

 

Don't you just love lawyers?

Lee

[Lance]

The heck with the application fee. All those nonresidents had to buy a $151.25 hunting license and that is what this is about. $$$$$

 

WAKE UP PEOPLE! THIS SHOULD BE A NO BRAINER FOR THE G&F AND CABELAS.

 

 

HERE IS WHAT SHOULD BE DONE PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!!!!

Both sides need to realize that the backlash from accepting or trying to get the apps accepted will completely outweigh any benefit from getting them accepted!!!

 

What needs to be done is all too simple! The AZGFD needs to say "NO" and the outcome will be better for our wildlife and their money in the long run! Simple.

 

And Cabelas needs to forget about getting the apps accepted and in some way make ammends with their clients. Spending the money to make ammends and kiss up to their TAGS clients will be far cheaper than the backlash they will receive from pushing the tags on the G&F.

 

And that is the Simple answer that will be best for everyone in the end. It's a "No Brainer"!

 

PS. I am hiring out as a "Customer Service Consultant" so if the G&F, Cabelas or anyone else wants to hire me then let me know!

 

Lance

[KGAINES]

That little end statement, according to me says the Director, not the commission, the director is still shrouffe isn't it and I would hate to see a lame duck type pardon for cabelas as he is going out. There is good news to this though, if we are having a little trouble deciding on our deer apps we can just wait a couple of extra days to send them in, or we can just take them down there a week or two late and turn them in and there shouldn't be a problem. We might even be able to pay for our tags with cabelas gift cards and coupons by that time.

 

Elk and Pronghorn Draw Information

 

The deadline day for submission of hunt permit-tag applications for fall 2008 hunts for elk and pronghorn antelope was Tuesday, Feb. 12, 2008 at 7 p.m. Draw results will be available no later than April 25, 2008 from this web page and by telephone by dialing (602) 942-3000.

 

2008 Antelope & Elk Draw Regulations [PDF, 8.25mb]

 

Hunt Permit Tag Application [PDF, 312kb]

Over-the-counter elk nonpermit-tag information

Draw Procedure Details [PDF, 16kb]

 

 

 

 

Fall Draw Information

 

The next deadline day for the submission of hunt permit-tag applications for fall 2008 hunts for deer, turkey, javelina bighorn sheep, buffalo should be Tuesday, June 10, 2008. Check back to this web site for updated information.

 

They should add 6-10-2008 or really whenever you feel life it as long as the draw hasn't been made public yet.

[firstcoueswas80]

I was thinking about this today at work.

 

If this passes, I say that the next person who gets busted poaching should protest " well, I was gonna go to walmart and buy my archery deer permit AFTER I killed my deer".

 

 

This is what AZGFD would be opening them selves up to.

 

I wrote Cabelas telling them I will be boycotting their store and buy all my stuff at Sportsmans (which I already do). heck, I even told them that I have a digital scale of theirs that doesnt work that I need to return, but will be throwing in the trash can instead!

[KGAINES]

Crossbow or compound doesn't matter it's just a rule.

Salt or feed doesn't matter even if it is a rule.

Why not go out and buy that OTC elk tag and find whatever one you want wherever you want, its only a unit boundry, my mistake, just a rule

Shoot it from your truck with a spotlight, just rules.

 

I wonder if cabelas would represent us we are just trying to participate in arizona's hunts

[wetmule]

Well said Lance, The excuse that the UPS driver had the wrong address or Cabelas had the wrong address or their was an accident on the freeway and the traffic prevented them from making the deadline. Nothing they can say should fly period. Excuses are just that and they shouldn't be excused. This type of behavior should have left them when it leaves most of us, in grade school after our lame excuses didn't work -- the dog ate my homework, my mom washed my pants with my assignment in the pocket, dog died, grandma died, grandpa died, ran out of gas, had an AA meeting that ran late, It depends on what Is is (Bill Clinton), I have a wide stance (Larry Craig), my lawyer never told me my registration was expired (Paris Hilton).

Come on Cabelas man up and act like a professional outfit - apologize to your clients and promise to do better next time and move on. Excuses are just excuses and they diminish personal responsibility.

[KGAINES]

Well said Lance, The excuse that the UPS driver had the wrong address or Cabelas had the wrong address or their was an accident on the freeway and the traffic prevented them from making the deadline. Nothing they can say should fly period. Excuses are just that and they shouldn't be excused. This type of behavior should have left them when it leaves most of us, in grade school after our lame excuses didn't work -- the dog ate my homework, my mom washed my pants with my assignment in the pocket, dog died, grandma died, grandpa died, ran out of gas, had an AA meeting that ran late, It depends on what Is is (Bill Clinton), I have a wide stance (Larry Craig), my lawyer never told me my registration was expired (Paris Hilton).

Come on Cabelas man up and act like a professional outfit - apologize to your clients and promise to do better next time and move on. Excuses are just excuses and they diminish personal responsibility.

 

 

This was my letter to them

 

I am a resident in the state of Arizona and have hunted for years, we have always had a draw deadline, and if you were late for any reason your app was denied, and yes I did mess up a few times. The way I see it is that Cabelas messed up, it don’t matter if it was UPS, or if it was an act of God, the fact that the AZGFD did not cause you to be late with your applications, and with that being said you have no business complaining, even if there is some sort of loophole that you and your high dollar attorneys may think you have found, your company has to know what is right. We as hunters use the word ethics all the time, we try to be responsible while in the field and show respect for the animals we hunt, you need to take a step back and look at yourselves and what you are trying to do, it is not right, it lacks ethics, and it shows absolutely no respect for all the hunters who applied and met the deadline that AZGFD set when the regulations came out.

 

At this time I am a customer of Cabelas and you have a nice store in Glendale, if this crap is allowed you will lose me as a customer and anyone else I can convince, I will drive to Sportsman’s Warehouse, or Bass Pro Shops which are across town from me before I will ever shop at your store again.

 

Thanks

Keith Gaines

[Coues 'n' Sheep]

Get a rope, boys..... I say we fix'em right!

 

 

You can count me in for the boycott if they get thier way!!! Let's put that dang Glendale store out of business.... bet they will think twice next time, if we do that!

 

 

Hey Cabela's..... Quiturbellyacting!!!!

[KGAINES]

Who can make the Cabelas sucks bumper stickers, or the cabelas with the circle and slash through it bumper stickers.