Coues 'n' Sheep Report post Posted February 25, 2008 I know many of you are not "record book" or "numbers" fans.... .... But I pose this question..... Have any of you ever thought that SCI "Master" measurers were a JOKE??? I have always been around B&C or P&Y Measurers.... and have learned a lot from them about how to score... and learn a bit more every year. Today SCI had a booth at Cabela's. We drove over to have my buddy's Coues buck "Officially" scored and it was my first time seeing how the SCI fellers do thier thing. They were all very nice guys and the people from Cabela's were awesome, too. They posed and snapped Photos of the horns and my Buddy. But, the scoring part was a JOKE.....IMO. There were 4 guys, 2 very profesional looking SCI guys and 2 Cabela's employees. First, the Cabela's guys grab the horns and go to "work"... and one of the SCI guys gives them a couple of "pointers" on how they should score the questionable spots of this Non-typical. As they are scoring I notice that they ignore the advice of the other guy and do the opposite..... stripping the buck of about 1/2"-3/4" of horn based on the SCI no deduct method. Then when they tell us the total score (and it was BIG)... I thought, Hmmmm, that thing Shrunk a bunch! I happened to pick up the horns and saw where many of their pencil marks were at the "base" of the points and questioned their straight line. They told me that the marks are "subjective" and that since they always "round up" the sixteenth's that, it really evens out in the end. I was Blown away!!! I thought these were "worldly" and "kind of on a pedistal" because that is what SCI advertises. This buck is a top 20 SCI all time N/T entry and a new #1 SCI N/T archery coues and they tell me that it evens out their mistakes!!! Anyhow I am posting a couple of quick snap shots that show what I see as some of the Eighths & Quarters that are missing from his final score. In a saving grace SCI allows you to have a Re-score and he plans to do so. I'd love to hear if you guys think I'm wrong, but I think that this buck was robbed of an inch and probably more on the "official" score and on a Coues deer an inch is a Bunch..... I have nothing to gain by venting about this or questioning their score, but it did dissapoint me and kind make me mad for my buddy's sake. Thanks, CnS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azcouesandelk Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Hey Gino I think the red lines you put on there are definately more accurate! Anyways it is a toad of a buck and a once in a lifetime buck! Also what did they end up scoring him at officially? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tjhunt2 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Gino, I'm no expert by no means but them pencil marks are way off course. Did you have to except that as a first score from them? No way! That buck deserves much more respect than that. TJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjw2222 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 What i find so ironic is how they advertised this like crazy on how "official" it was and here you are with valid proof that their measurements were clearly off. I know scoring is somewhat dependent on the scorer but the error margins seem very excessive in your case. Too bad to hear it was a bust at least in your case. So i too am curious what it scored... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstcoueswas80 Report post Posted February 25, 2008 yep, looks a lil short changed to me! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coues 'n' Sheep Report post Posted February 25, 2008 What i find so ironic is how they advertised this like crazy on how "official" it was and here you are with valid proof that their measurements were clearly off. I know scoring is somewhat dependent on the scorer but the error margins seem very excessive in your case. Too bad to hear it was a bust at least in your case. So i too am curious what it scored... I'm not willing to post the score he got.... cuz it isn't my trophy and I know that in this case the P&Y Score is far more important anyway and will be well published come March, so you can read the whole story. But I will tell you that even though I think it was a low score he is still well within the top 20 SCI all time N/T coues entries and the new #1 SCI N/T archery coues! Oh, and we will have him (the buck) with us at the ISE show on Sunday March 9th, I think.... At least, that is what I heard last night... might have to keep your eyes open for a guy with a wicked, beaming smile and a dingy canvas sack in his hands! And thank for the replys, guys... Glad to think that I might not be Crazy on this deal.... CnS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hunter4life Report post Posted February 25, 2008 I agree, it looks like they shortchanged a few of those tines. I think that much of it is dependent on the individual scorer, because the SCI measurer that I have had measure some of my stuff has always been fair IMO. On my coues my total score ended up within 1/4 inch of what he got and I like to think that I know what I am doing. I have actually had more trouble with official B&C scorers making mistakes. One time a scorer added up the totals wrong and another time the scorer didn't know that whitetails get all of their circumference measurements even if the last one (or more) does not fall between two tines and has to be taken 1/2 way between the tip of the main beam and the last tine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
couestaxi Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Coues'n'sheep - They were way off on their point measurements. As a long time scorer for SCI, ALL measurments are critical and they all add up. Dick Tone who scores P&Y animals and I have compared measuring issues over the years. It is very important to get it right every time. I score for SCI because I do not believe God made all animals perfect or symetrical. Get it rescored and voice your is concerns with the SCI recod book committee. If you are in the east Phoenix valley I can do it for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CouesWhitetail Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Gino, I agree those baselines look off. Are you sure these guys were official SCI measurers? Or were they just guys they got to man the booth? It's interesting that it looks like they got the baseline right on that droptine on the left antler. You might want to call SCI and share the name of the measurer and show those photos. Amanda Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coues 'n' Sheep Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Gino, I agree those baselines look off. Are you sure these guys were official SCI measurers? Or were they just guys they got to man the booth? It's interesting that it looks like they got the baseline right on that droptine on the left antler. You might want to call SCI and share the name of the measurer and show those photos. Amanda The two "official" looking guys and the guy who wore the Cabelas shirt (and ran the cable),said they were Master SCI measurers. The Official guys said they would rescore it, but prefirred not to do it at time (or in the present company..... more or less). Couestaxi.... I can't speak for my buddy.... but I bet he'd run it down just so you could do it. He is SUPER PROUD of his buck (whatever it scores) but does believe the buck deserves every 1/8 that he grew to be recorded... that is what makes the SCI score special.... as we all know nets are for fisherman! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunterdan Report post Posted February 25, 2008 There is no question the baselines are off on that Buck. I would have it re-scored for sure! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
couestaxi Report post Posted February 25, 2008 Call me 480-988-1440 , It won't take long to rescore it.......properly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Huntn coues Report post Posted February 26, 2008 Yup Jermey got hosed on that score for sure!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Extreme Coues Report post Posted February 26, 2008 thanks for all the support I'am going to get him rescored at the ISE show that way they can imput the correct score right there into the computer and their will be no lag time on getting it posted everybody is welcome to join us I hope we don't sound ungratefull but I think that every deer harvested diserves to be documented correctly after all he grew IT. THANKS AGAIN JEREMY ULMER Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arizona Griz Report post Posted February 27, 2008 At least the shooter will have the opportunity to have it rescored. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
