salt and feed no more in 2009

[GameHauler]

Very impressive Tony!!! Did you memorize word for word the hunting regs?

 

 

"A wise man does not know everything,

A wise man knows where to find the answer to everything"

[Outdoor Writer]

Very impressive Tony!!! Did you memorize word for word the hunting regs?

 

 

"A wise man does not know everything,

A wise man knows where to find the answer to everything"

 

Bingo, Mike! -TONY

[Redman]

As a FYI, here are some laws currently on the books that ban baiting for big game.

 

Wyoming:

 

Section 14. Baiting of Big Game Animals Prohibited except by Qualified Persons. Any legally blind person, person confined to a wheelchair or any person hunting with a license issued pursuant to W. S. §23-1-705 (j) may place a bait for big game or take a big game animal by the use of bait.

 

Montana:

 

Prohibited Methods of Taking: It is illegal for anyone to hunt or attempt to hunt any game animal or game bird:

 

• by the aid or with the use of any set gun, jacklight, spotlight or other artificial light, trap, snare, salt lick, or bait, MCA 87-3-101. Baiting shall mean the placing, exposing, depositing, distributing, or scattering of corn, wheat, or other grain or food sources so as to constitute a lure or attraction.

 

Colorado:

 

21. Use dogs or bait to hunt bears, deer, elk, pronghorn or moose. Bait

means to put, expose, distribute or scatter salt, minerals, grain, animal parts

or other food as an attraction for big game. Scent sticks that smell like food

are illegal for bears.

 

New Mexico:

 

• Take or attempt to take game mammals or game birds over

ground baited with any material or scent distributed there to entice

the animals, except quail or turkey on private land. Scent-masking

agents may be used on one’s person, but not to attract big game.

 

-TONY

 

 

Tony,

 

What? You mean to tell me that other states don't allow bating? Holly molly I thought the Arizona Game and Fish was really stepping away from the norm if it was going to ban baiting. The states you mentioned seem to be pretty good company...

 

Thanks for the post.

 

Redman

[wklman]

Hey Redman don't be bringing common sense into this discussion you might throw some of these guys off.....

[DesertBull]

As a FYI, here are some laws currently on the books that ban baiting for big game.

 

Wyoming:

 

Section 14. Baiting of Big Game Animals Prohibited except by Qualified Persons. Any legally blind person, person confined to a wheelchair or any person hunting with a license issued pursuant to W. S. §23-1-705 (j) may place a bait for big game or take a big game animal by the use of bait.

 

Montana:

 

Prohibited Methods of Taking: It is illegal for anyone to hunt or attempt to hunt any game animal or game bird:

 

• by the aid or with the use of any set gun, jacklight, spotlight or other artificial light, trap, snare, salt lick, or bait, MCA 87-3-101. Baiting shall mean the placing, exposing, depositing, distributing, or scattering of corn, wheat, or other grain or food sources so as to constitute a lure or attraction.

 

Colorado:

 

21. Use dogs or bait to hunt bears, deer, elk, pronghorn or moose. Bait

means to put, expose, distribute or scatter salt, minerals, grain, animal parts

or other food as an attraction for big game. Scent sticks that smell like food

are illegal for bears.

 

New Mexico:

 

• Take or attempt to take game mammals or game birds over

ground baited with any material or scent distributed there to entice

the animals, except quail or turkey on private land. Scent-masking

agents may be used on one’s person, but not to attract big game.

 

-TONY

 

 

Tony,

 

What? You mean to tell me that other states don't allow bating? Holly molly I thought the Arizona Game and Fish was really stepping away from the norm if it was going to ban baiting. The states you mentioned seem to be pretty good company...

 

Thanks for the post.

 

Redman

 

 

It was the Antis that pushed for banning baiting AND USE OF HOUNDS in Colorado and Oregon, not hunters.

If you don't think the use of dogs will the next thing they go after here, once the baiting is taken away, you are not paying attention. These people are not stupid, they know that they cannot get away with the banning of all hunting, but they can take a little bit away every year until our numbers eventually dry up and die. WAKE UP!

[Redman]

It was the Antis that pushed for banning baiting AND USE OF HOUNDS in Colorado and Oregon, not hunters.

If you don't think the use of dogs will the next thing they go after here, once the baiting is taken away, you are not paying attention. These people are not stupid, they know that they cannot get away with the banning of all hunting, but they can take a little bit away every year until our numbers eventually dry up and die. WAKE UP!

 

 

Your argument as you stated is a red herring. The rule change in AZ is due to the Game and Fish, not antis. I am neutral on this subject, I guess it's because I have never done it. I thought about it, and was going to do it this year because the great success people are having......

 

Redman

[Outdoor Writer]

It was the Antis that pushed for banning baiting AND USE OF HOUNDS in Colorado and Oregon, not hunters.

If you don't think the use of dogs will the next thing they go after here, once the baiting is taken away, you are not paying attention. These people are not stupid, they know that they cannot get away with the banning of all hunting, but they can take a little bit away every year until our numbers eventually dry up and die. WAKE UP!

 

 

Im quite aware of what the Colorado ballot measure involved since I did extensive coverage of it before and after it was passed. I even did an interview of the Colorado bear biologist AND AVID HUNTER Tom Beck for an article in Rocky Mt. Game & Fish magazine. You might recall he had written an article for Outdoor Life in which he stated his support of the ban. Neither of those initiatives the antis pushed and got passed mentioned using bait for OTHER big game. They specially addressed the issues noted below. -TONY

 

 

1992 Colorado prohibit spring, bait, and hound hunting of black bears Amendment 10 Approved 70% 30%

 

1994 Oregon ban bear baiting and hound hunting of mountain lions Measure 18 Approved 52% 48%

 

Here's some interesting after-the-fact analysis:

 

Political Environment

 

Bear hunting has become a national issue for animal rights activists. Animal

rights activists were successful in bringing a referendum (Amendment 10) to the

statewide ballot in Colorado in 1992 which prohibited certain types of bear hunting.

The referendum was supported by 70% of the voters (Loker & Decker, 1995).

 

****

Opponents of bait hunting for bears claim it is unfair and inconsistent with the principle

of "fair chase" applied to other game species (Beck et al. 1994). The Idaho Department of Fish

and Game (1992) found that only 29% of survey respondents who said they hunted and only 8 %

of nonhunters approved of hunting bears with bait. There apparently was little difference in

disapproval for hunting bears with bait or dogs in Idaho. As with dog hunting, 70% of survey

respondents expressed opposition to hunting black bears with bait in Colorado (Standage

Accureach, Inc. and Ciruli Associates, Inc. 1991).

 

 

AND.. a few more states with laws against baiting big-game animals:

 

California

 

257.5. Prohibition Against Taking Resident

Game Birds and Mammals by the Aid of Bait.

Except as otherwise provided in these regulations

or in the Fish and Game Code, resident game birds

and mammals may not be taken within 400 yards of

any baited area.

(a) Definition of Baited Area. As used in this regulation,

“baited area” shall mean any area where shelled,

shucked or unshucked corn, wheat or other grains,

salt, or other feed whatsoever capable of luring, attracting,

or enticing such birds or mammals is directly

or indirectly placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, or

scattered, and such area shall remain a baited area for

ten days following complete removal of all such corn,

wheat or other grains, salt, or other feed.

 

Exceptions:

(1) The taking of domestically reared and released

game birds on licensed pheasant clubs and other

licensed game bird clubs;

General Provisions And Definitions

(2) The taking of resident game birds and mammals

on or over standing crops, flooded standing crops (including

aquatics), flooded harvested croplands, grain

crops properly shocked on the field where grown, or

grains found scattered solely as the result of normal

agricultural planting or harvesting;

(3) The taking of resident game birds and mammals

on or over any lands where shelled, shucked or

unshucked corn, wheat or other grain, salt, or other

feed have been distributed or scattered as the result of

bona fide agricultural operations or procedures, or as

a result of manipulation of a crop or other feed on the

land where grown for wildlife management purposes:

provided that manipulation for wildlife management

purposes does not include the distributing or scattering

of grain or other feed once it has been removed from

or stored on the field where grown.

 

Alaska

 

5 AAC 92.230. Feeding of game

Except under the terms of a permit issued by the department,

a person may not intentionally feed a moose, deer, elk, bear, wolf,

coyote, fox, or wolverine, or negligently leave human food, animal food,

or garbage in a manner that attracts these animals. However, this prohibition

does not apply to use of bait for trapping furbearers or hunting

black bears, wolf, fox, or wolverine under 5 AAC 84 - 5 AAC 92.

 

Wisconsin

 

No person may place, use or hunt over bait or feed material for the

purpose of hunting any wild animals (except deer as provided below and

for bear, see Wisconsin Bear Hunting Regulations) unless authorized by

a special permit or license issued by the department.

Scents: Scent may be used for hunting deer or other wild animals, but

the scent may not be placed or deposited in a manner that it is accessible

for consumption by deer, and scents shall be removed daily at the end of

hunting hours established for deer. However, two ounces or less of scent

may be placed, used or deposited in any manner for hunting game and

does not need to be removed daily at the end of hunting hours.

Natural Vegetation and Plantings: You may hunt with the aid of

material deposited by natural vegetation or material found solely as a

result of normal agricultural or gardening practices, or with the aid of

crops planted and left standing as wildlife food plots.

 

South Dakota

 

It is illegal:

 

To use salt blocks, licks or bait station to attract

big game. “Bait station” is a place where

edible foodstuffs or minerals are placed or

maintained as an attractant to game animals.

Use of scent alone does not constitute a bait

station.

 

Massachusetts

 

(f) A person shall not make, set, or use any bait, decoy, torchlight or spotlight, trap, or other like device for the purpose of attracting, ensnaring, taking, injuring, or killing a deer, nor hunt by baiting or within any baited area, nor hunt, drive, worry, or disturb any deer with or by the aid of any noise-making device, provided that nothing in 321 CMR 3.02(4)(f) shall be deemed to prohibit the use of scents or of deer antlers or replicas thereof or of grunt tubes as callers or attractants by persons otherwise lawfully hunting deer.

 

Bait means any natural or artificial substance, including but not restricted to, shucked or unshucked corn, wheat or other grains, hay, silage, apples or other fruits or vegetables, and salt or other chemical compounds of a like nature which may be fed upon, ingested by or which otherwise constitute a nutritive attraction or enticement to deer.

 

Baited area means any area where baiting has taken place and such area shall remain a baited area for the period from ten days prior to the opening of the exclusive archery season as provided in 321 CMR 3.02(4)(2. to 12:00 P.M. on the day following the close of the exclusive primitive firearms season as provided in 321 CMR 3.02(4)(4., all dates inclusive.

 

Kentucky

 

Bait: a substance composed of grains,

minerals, salt, fruits, vegetables, hay or

any other food materials, whether natural

or manufactured, which may lure, entice

or attract wildlife.

 

Baiting: to place, deposit, tend, distribute

or scatter bait.

 

12. A person shall not distribute or place

bait, hunt over bait or otherwise participate

in baiting wildlife on a wildlife

management area.

 

And...

 

Baiting is prohibited on

state parks.

 

Baiting is also prohibited in:

 

GREEN RIVER STATE FOREST

Henderson County

 

JEFFERSON NATIONAL FOREST

Letcher & Pike cos.

 

KENTENIA STATE FOREST

Harlan County

 

KENTUCKY RIDGE STATE FOREST

Bell County

 

TYGARTS STATE FOREST

Carter County

 

New York

 

Baiting—It is illegal to hunt with the aid of bait, or over any baited area when hunting big game, upland game birds, turkey or waterfowl.

Artificial Lights—It is illegal to hunt deer

 

This is just one that I found a bit humorous:

 

Oregon

 

2. Shooting at wild animals or wild

birds while they are on any utility

line, pole, its crossarm or insulator

is prohibited.

[DesertBull]

The rule change in AZ is due to the Game and Fish, not antis.

Redman

 

It's getting harder and harder to tell the difference between the two.

[GRONG]

A local GW called me about a week ago and we talked for a while. I mentioned this very thread and he said he'd hadn't heard of any talk about banning baits but he's just a warden, usually the last to know, but he did see this topic. He did say that unit 7 is going to an archery draw cause of the bulls*#t 20% rule mentioned earlier in this topic. He also mentioned that unit 8 & 9 I believe were gonna be opened for Jan archery deer. I said well why not open them all up, like 6A? He said that it's cause usually there are road closures that most of the unit wouldn't be able to hunt it anyway. I said I could drive a quad or truck (if I dared) clear around, in a roundabout way, on a road thats not closed into the same country that the road is closed from on the other end, usually in the higher elevations. Now his reasoning didn't make much sense to me, but hey that's the G&F's reasoning.

[Coues 'n' Sheep]

A local GW called me about a week ago and we talked for a while. I mentioned this very thread and he said he'd hadn't heard of any talk about banning baits but he's just a warden, usually the last to know, but he did see this topic. He did say that unit 7 is going to an archery draw cause of the bulls*#t 20% rule mentioned earlier in this topic. He also mentioned that unit 8 & 9 I believe were gonna be opened for Jan archery deer. I said well why not open them all up, like 6A? He said that it's cause usually there are road closures that most of the unit wouldn't be able to hunt it anyway. I said I could drive a quad or truck (if I dared) clear around, in a roundabout way, on a road thats not closed into the same country that the road is closed from on the other end, usually in the higher elevations. Now his reasoning didn't make much sense to me, but hey that's the G&F's reasoning.

 

 

I spoke at great length to a WM in the field this weekend and, come to find out, he is one of the four AZGF guys that are writing the new rule.... The NEW RULE will be very much like the bear baiting rule, but more broad. Water and Salt will still be ok..... However, any other bait substance placed for the purpose of hunting or taking any big game will be Illegal. Probably as soon as Jan. 2009 and there is no stopping this new rule. Done deal, end of story, it will not be up for any discussion.

 

FYI, also, 2008 Dec. archery is gone for atleast 3 years in unit 22... according to the stats in 2007 rifle and archery harvests in unit 22 were at 150 each.

 

CnS

[Huntn coues]

Yup That pretty well sums it up.

 

I was in on that conversation over the weekend with my girls and Gino and got alot of info on this subject.

 

But that's what the man said done deal!

[Huntn coues]

I will also like to add that this was one of the nicest G/F guy's I have talked with in a while. He answered all

off my questions and my daughters questions that we asked.

 

We had a very pleasant time shooting the bull with him and he also made a VERY good impression with my girls.

 

And no I am not brown nosing in hopes of getting a tag this year.

 

Troy

[DesertBull]

FYI, also, 2008 Dec. archery is gone for atleast 3 years in unit 22... according to the stats in 2007 rifle and archery harvests in unit 22 were at 150 each.

 

CnS

 

Bull poop.

150 archery kills in ONE UNIT?

 

What was that Mark Twain said about statistics?

[Coues 'n' Sheep]

FYI, also, 2008 Dec. archery is gone for atleast 3 years in unit 22... according to the stats in 2007 rifle and archery harvests in unit 22 were at 150 each.

 

CnS

 

Bull poop.

150 archery kills in ONE UNIT?

 

What was that Mark Twain said about statistics?

 

 

That is what the man said.... 150 and that would be up from about 90 in 2006 if I'm not mistaken!

[Coues 'n' Sheep]

FYI, also, 2008 Dec. archery is gone for atleast 3 years in unit 22... according to the stats in 2007 rifle and archery harvests in unit 22 were at 150 each.

 

CnS

 

Bull poop.

150 archery kills in ONE UNIT?

 

What was that Mark Twain said about statistics?

 

 

That is what the man said.... 150 and that would be up from about 90 in 2006 if I'm not mistaken!