Conserve and Protect (Tags) Presentation at G&F Mtg

[GreyGhost85]

No, Pete cannot do anything with the tags. It is now up to the G&F to do the right thing and shoot this down. Raffling and auctioning of tags should be an absolute last resort when it comes to raising money. We all know tags WILL generate a lot of money but there have been MANY suggestions that would raise comparable amounts of money and these have all been ignored. Say you have an issue with your leg. You go to the doctor and right off they bat he tells you the only to fix it is to cut it off. are you going to listen to him and cut the leg off? You know with 100% certainty that removing your leg will "fix" the problem, but wouldn't you want to exhaust all other options before you just agree to do so? Maybe get a second opinion? maybe try something else to start?

[452b264]

A habitat stamp would raise a lot of additional money and leave the system (tags) as is.

[GreyGhost85]

A habitat stamp would raise a lot of additional money and leave the system (tags) as is.

Yes it would. There are a couple hundred thousand hunt applications every year. A simple $5 increase designated to "education" would give Pete his million bucks he talks about as well. But he, nor the rest of CAPAZ will have any of that.

[452b264]

 

A habitat stamp would raise a lot of additional money and leave the system (tags) as is.

Yes it would. There are a couple hundred thousand hunt applications every year. A simple $5 increase designated to "education" would give Pete his million bucks he talks about as well. But he nor the rest of CAPAZ will not have any of that.

 

200,000 X 15 = 3,000,000 Million

[GreyGhost85]

 

 

A habitat stamp would raise a lot of additional money and leave the system (tags) as is.

Yes it would. There are a couple hundred thousand hunt applications every year. A simple $5 increase designated to "education" would give Pete his million bucks he talks about as well. But he nor the rest of CAPAZ will not have any of that.

 

200,000 X 15 = 3,000,000 Million

 

BINGO!

[MT_Sourdough]

You guys are good. Your nailing it.

[HuntHarder]

I thought the whole issue is any money raised by Azgfd could not be used to fight radical groups like PETA. Am I missing something? I like the idea of a habitat stamp, but will that put the money in the hands of an org. that can actively fight against these invasive species or protesters? Can he add a stamp and designate the money to be used by an outside org.?

[GreyGhost85]

If im not mistaken, the money raised is going to an organization created by g&f. It will be a committee formed by g&f members if i am not mistaken. The whole who can and cant spend money and what the money can or cant be spent on seems like it was all smoke and mirrors. According to Sneaky Pete, the tags will remain in the hands of g&f and they will be responsible for their distribution, not CAPAZ or any outside organizationx

[idgaf]

My personal opinion on this is they do not want the tags. They want the money that goes with the tags. Any money generated would go into sort of a 'warchest' that these friends of hunting would use as needed by the chosen. This is a working theory so I am still developing the concept.

 

Also, simple logistics dictates that whatever HSUS is doing for the next election will not be directly effected by what ever happens with this initiative. So lets stop using this scare tactic.

[HuntHarder]

So, just a recap, Pete was saying that the money from the tags would go to G&F, but if they get the tags, there would be additional donations from various members directly to CAPAZ. This money would be used to fight the anti's. I think this is what I have gathered. So the way I see it, if they do not get the tags, the members will not feel inclined to donate extra money to CAPAZ. This will basically leave us where we are right now with no money or not enough, to fight the anti's. If there was a way to designate a stamp and split the proceeds to go to education and also set aside some money for the fight, that we know is coming, this would be the way to go. I do not know if this is possible, but it sure sounds like a good solution to our problem. I am not completely against the tag idea, but i am also not for it. I think that should be a last ditch effort. I do not like the idea of give us tags and donations will pour in for the fight. Tough deal here for sure, but I do not think it is as easy as some think it is.

[AZkiller]

So, just a recap, Pete was saying that the money from the tags would go to G&F, but if they get the tags, there would be additional donations from various members directly to CAPAZ. This money would be used to fight the anti's. I think this is what I have gathered. So the way I see it, if they do not get the tags, the members will not feel inclined to donate extra money to CAPAZ. This will basically leave us where we are right now with no money or not enough, to fight the anti's. If there was a way to designate a stamp and split the proceeds to go to education and also set aside some money for the fight, that we know is coming, this would be the way to go. I do not know if this is possible, but it sure sounds like a good solution to our problem. I am not completely against the tag idea, but i am also not for it. I think that should be a last ditch effort. I do not like the idea of give us tags and donations will pour in for the fight. Tough deal here for sure, but I do not think it is as easy as some think it is.

You are correct except for the stap fee. I agree with the concept but AZGFD cannot use monies it raises for political campaigns.

[GreyGhost85]

 

So, just a recap, Pete was saying that the money from the tags would go to G&F, but if they get the tags, there would be additional donations from various members directly to CAPAZ. This money would be used to fight the anti's. I think this is what I have gathered. So the way I see it, if they do not get the tags, the members will not feel inclined to donate extra money to CAPAZ. This will basically leave us where we are right now with no money or not enough, to fight the anti's. If there was a way to designate a stamp and split the proceeds to go to education and also set aside some money for the fight, that we know is coming, this would be the way to go. I do not know if this is possible, but it sure sounds like a good solution to our problem. I am not completely against the tag idea, but i am also not for it. I think that should be a last ditch effort. I do not like the idea of give us tags and donations will pour in for the fight. Tough deal here for sure, but I do not think it is as easy as some think it is.

 

You are correct except for the stap fee. I agree with the concept but AZGFD cannot use monies it raises for political campaigns.

So, who is getting the money from the raffle tags?

[HuntHarder]

 

So, just a recap, Pete was saying that the money from the tags would go to G&F, but if they get the tags, there would be additional donations from various members directly to CAPAZ. This money would be used to fight the anti's. I think this is what I have gathered. So the way I see it, if they do not get the tags, the members will not feel inclined to donate extra money to CAPAZ. This will basically leave us where we are right now with no money or not enough, to fight the anti's. If there was a way to designate a stamp and split the proceeds to go to education and also set aside some money for the fight, that we know is coming, this would be the way to go. I do not know if this is possible, but it sure sounds like a good solution to our problem. I am not completely against the tag idea, but i am also not for it. I think that should be a last ditch effort. I do not like the idea of give us tags and donations will pour in for the fight. Tough deal here for sure, but I do not think it is as easy as some think it is.

You are correct except for the stap fee. I agree with the concept but AZGFD cannot use monies it raises for political campaigns.

 

That is what I am wondering, Can G&F collect monies from a stamp and allocate it to different orgs to spend so they choose, i.e. fight anti's. I think they probably can not, so the stamp idea probably wouldn't work simply because the money collected could not be used for what we need it to be used for. Big Donors usually want something in return and tags is #1 on their list. No easy solution, but the only way I see making this work without tags is some kind of legislation change on how monies can be spent/ dispersed.

[HuntHarder]

 

 

So, just a recap, Pete was saying that the money from the tags would go to G&F, but if they get the tags, there would be additional donations from various members directly to CAPAZ. This money would be used to fight the anti's. I think this is what I have gathered. So the way I see it, if they do not get the tags, the members will not feel inclined to donate extra money to CAPAZ. This will basically leave us where we are right now with no money or not enough, to fight the anti's. If there was a way to designate a stamp and split the proceeds to go to education and also set aside some money for the fight, that we know is coming, this would be the way to go. I do not know if this is possible, but it sure sounds like a good solution to our problem. I am not completely against the tag idea, but i am also not for it. I think that should be a last ditch effort. I do not like the idea of give us tags and donations will pour in for the fight. Tough deal here for sure, but I do not think it is as easy as some think it is.

You are correct except for the stap fee. I agree with the concept but AZGFD cannot use monies it raises for political campaigns.

So, who is getting the money from the raffle tags?

 

Game and fish would get the money, but it could not be used to fight political foes. This is the unwritten promise of donors for CAPAZ stepping up and donating big sums to CAPAZ which could be used to fight anti's.

[trphyhntr]

this is as clear as mud. so azgfd get the money both times but they cant give the stamp money away but they can give the tag money away because magic fairy dust?