nonresident sheep tags

[fatfootdoc]

So what is up with NM, I was looking at the drawing odds this am and the published drawing quota for non residents here is 10 % non res and 12% non res guided, so I am looking at the Bighorn Sheep stats and 9 tags went to residents and 8 went to non residents , what is up with that?!! 8 of 17!!!! That is 47 % ! Like we need to give half our tags to non residents when we dont even have a bonus point system!! I probably will never get drawn putting in every year as it is!!! Do any of you guys know why they got nearly 50% of our tags???? ag

[5yearcoueshunter]

Sheep, Oryx and Ibex do not have a non-resident quota like the other species. Why this is I don't know, but I agree with you that it stinks.

 

Travis

[jamaro]

Sheep, Oryx and Ibex do not have a non-resident quota like the other species. Why this is I don't know, but I agree with you that it stinks.

 

Travis

 

travis is correct. I called Mclintock on this and it is based on the number of applications... I think I might push this issue..

[fatfootdoc]

So how do we voice our displeasure with this wonderful NM item of game management? And how can we get it changed? ag

[jamaro]

So how do we voice our displeasure with this wonderful NM item of game management? And how can we get it changed? ag

 

we need to start by asking why is it different... once we get a soid answer then we can fight it. I will see if I can get something in writing from the dept...

 

ffd see if you can get dutch to give you a reason

[TAM]

Jason, I don't know the details but I belive NM G&F was sued some years ago and some law was passed where they could not limit the non residents in the sheep draws. Sorry I don't have or know the details, but I think the answer is something close to what I'm saying.

 

And even though I'm a non-resident and this rule/law would benefit me, I think it's crap! States should have the right to limit the NR's if they see so fit.

[coueswt]

I agree, residents should get a majority of the tags in every state. I think NM needs to do away with the 12% of the tags going to Outfitters.

 

But charging non-residents $3,000+ for the BHS tag isn't fair either.

 

Just my two cents.

[fatfootdoc]

AHH, Maybe now we know why so many non residents get sheep tags ag

 

 

I agree, residents should get a majority of the tags in every state. I think NM needs to do away with the 12% of the tags going to Outfitters.

 

But charging non-residents $3,000+ for the BHS tag isn't fair either.

 

Just my two cents.

[TAM]

I think they cost $3000 because there are no restrictions for the NR's. That was the only way for the G&F to keep the NR's from drawing all the tags.

[fatfootdoc]

Well I was reading the regs and it says in the beginning that the entire draw is based on a quota system and that 78% go to red yada yada yada, it does not say anywhere that I could find , except for sheep tags!! Jason Amaro, do you have Dutch Salmons email(I assume he was reappointed to the commission) I would like an explanation on this. If there is no difference they are not abiding by their own regulations and that needs to change!! As far as I know the proclamation is based on a legally binding document, so they HAVE to give us more tags!! ag

[jamaro]

I don't have his email but here is his phone number... Work: (575) 388-3763

[Kevin]

Doc,

 

Here's the link; first sentence, second paragragph. Notice it is due to court order.

 

 

http://www.wildlife.state.nm.us/recreation...DrawWorks08.pdf

 

Kevin

[fatfootdoc]

Kevin,

Glad I read your post before I called and made a huge a-- of myself!! I wonder if that court order was a result of the same lawsuit that AZ fought and won? AG

[Kevin]

I don't think so. There has not been a NR quota on sheep, oryx or ibex for many years. Good luck in the draw! Like you, I consider my applications for these three as cheritable donations, although I did draw the non-trophy ibex hunt this past year.

 

Kevin

[Outdoor Writer]

I wrote a report for my IN THE FIELD column in Rocky Mt. Game & Fish magazine when this statute pertaining to the quotas was enacted by the New Mexico state legislature way back in 1997 or so. If I recall it came about because of the lobbying by the state's outfitters. -TONY

 

The statute that applies in total direct from the NM state laws:

 

 

17-3-16. Funds; special drawings for licenses.

 

A. The director of the department of game and fish may provide special envelopes and application blanks when a special drawing is to be held to determine the persons to receive licenses. Money required to be submitted with these applications, if enclosed in the special envelopes, need not be deposited with the state treasurer but may be held by the director until the successful applicants are determined. At that time, the fees of the successful applicants shall be deposited with the state treasurer and the fees submitted by the unsuccessful applicants shall be returned to them.

 

B. Beginning with the licenses issued from a special drawing for a hunt code on public lands that commences on or after April 1, 1997:

 

 

(1) twenty-two percent of the licenses shall be issued to nonresidents divided as follows:

 

(a.) twelve percent of the licenses to be drawn by nonresidents who will be guided by a New Mexico outfitter or guide; and

 

(b.) ten percent of the licenses to be drawn by nonresidents who are not required to be guided by a New Mexico outfitter or guide; and

 

(2) seventy-eight percent of the licenses shall be issued to residents of New Mexico.

 

C. If the number of nonresidents or residents who apply for licenses pursuant to the provisions of Paragraphs (1) and (2) of Subsection B of this section does not constitute the allocated percentages for either category of nonresidents or residents, then the additional licenses available shall be granted to the other category of nonresidents or residents.

 

D. If the determination of the percentages in Subsection B of this section yields a fraction of:

 

 

(1) five-tenths or greater, the number of licenses to be issued shall be rounded up to the next whole number; and

 

(2) less than five-tenths, the number of licenses shall be rounded down to the next whole number.

 

E. The fee for a nonresident license for a special drawing in a high-demand hunt covered in Subsection B of this section shall be assessed at the same rate as a license for nonresident quality elk or quality deer. As used in this subsection, "high-demand hunt" means:

 

(1) a hunt where the total number of nonresident applicants for a hunt code in each unit exceeds twenty-two percent of the total applicants and where the total applicants for a hunt exceeds the number of licenses available based on application data indicating that this criteria occurred in each of the two immediately preceding years; or

 

(2) an additional hunt code designated by the department of game and fish as a quality hunt.