No cams on water by G&F.....coming soon.

[couesmagnet]

Nice antelope gjmauro12. How long are those paddles.

[GJMauro12]

 

what happens if you have a camera on a natural seep that is 400 yds from a drinker that you do not know exists. Is G&F going to publish the gps coordinates of all the drinkers, etc.

I think all the G$F drinkers are published, but I could be wrong.

Thank you! Cant remember off the top of my head. Ill have to check Sunday when I get home. The buck was roughed scored just shy of 80.

[dzell]

They dont even enforce the no camping within a quarter mile of a water rule I dont know why they feel the need for the new rule

[cohntr6]

I'm sure there is lawyers already salivating over this "ban".

Jeff

[ThomC]

 

All the comments about getting around the new law makes me laugh. So much whining it is honestly just funny. Guys openly talking about how they will get around the new law, like Game and Fish doesn't monitor these sites. If you get busted, they can and will use your words against you, Just some food for thought.

All the comments about getting around the new law makes me laugh. So much whining it is honestly just funny. Guys openly talking about how they will get around the new law, like Game and Fish doesn't monitor these sites. If you get busted, they can and will use your words against you, Just some food for thought.

I don't read as much about "getting around the rules" as much as I am hearing people trying to make this rule something that it isn't. It is not a ban on trail cams. It's not even a ban on using cams for hunting.

It is a ban on two very specific things. First, there is now a ban on cameras that relay any real time data. meaning "live". The other is a ban on using cams within 1/4 mile of developed water source for the use of taking game.

What it sounds like to me, there are people who don't like the use of trail cams, that want to act stupid and interpret this rule to falsely give permission to mess with somebody else's property.

Using, that twisted logic, I should carry a pound of sugar with me to put in gas tanks of ATV's that I find in a place they are not allowed.

 

This post explains very well and then the next posters sound like they did not even read the posts before their post. It appears that there are a lot of thick heads.

[trophyseeker]

From Nevada Department of Wildlife:

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The Nevada Department of Wildlife wants to ensure that all outdoor enthusiasts are aware of the new seasonal restrictions on the use of trail cameras.

Since 2010, trail cameras have been a topic of discussion in Nevada. The regulation was discussed in dozens of open meetings, including County Advisory Boards to Manage Wildlife, the Nevada Board of Wildlife Commission, and the Legislative Commission. The use of trail cameras, the technology associated with them, and the issues surrounding the use of them have all continued to escalate.

Proponents of the regulation raised several significant issues of concern including the growing commercialization of animal location data. New internet businesses have begun buying and selling GPS location data of animals captured on trail cameras. Also, saturating all or most available water sources with trail cameras in a hunt unit not only disrupts the animals ability to obtain water as camera owners come and go from waters that have as many as 25 or more cameras, but also creates hunter congestion and hunter competition issues. The accessibility to our public lands combined with our wildlife’s dependence on our extremely limited water sources make for some real challenges for both wildlife and outdoor enthusiasts. Proponents of the regulation were quick to point out that whether enhanced, protected, or human created water sources (guzzlers), the waters’ primary purpose is to assist in herd health and herd growth, not for placement of a technological device at an animal concentration site that potentially makes it easier to kill trophy animals.

The new trail camera regulation states that a person shall not place, maintain, or use a trail camera or similar device on public land, or private land without permission from the land owner, from August 1 to December 31 of each year, or if the camera is capable of transmitting the images or video, it shall not be used from July 1 to December 31. The regulation does provide some limited exemptions for livestock monitoring, research, and other miscellaneous uses.

NDOW recognizes that there are wholesome and legitimate uses of trail cameras, and unfortunately the use of cameras have been exploited far beyond most sportsmen’s definition of reasonable. If you come across a trail camera on public land from August 1 to December 31, NDOW is asking that you leave the camera alone, and consider calling an NDOW office to report its location.



Sincerely,

Nevada Department of Wildlife

[brademan76]

Thanks for posting trophyseeker. Will probably not be the last state to establish these rules.

[AZ23]

From Nevada Department of Wildlife:

 

*******************

 

The Nevada Department of Wildlife wants to ensure that all outdoor enthusiasts are aware of the new seasonal restrictions on the use of trail cameras.

 

Since 2010, trail cameras have been a topic of discussion in Nevada. The regulation was discussed in dozens of open meetings, including County Advisory Boards to Manage Wildlife, the Nevada Board of Wildlife Commission, and the Legislative Commission. The use of trail cameras, the technology associated with them, and the issues surrounding the use of them have all continued to escalate.

 

Proponents of the regulation raised several significant issues of concern including the growing commercialization of animal location data. New internet businesses have begun buying and selling GPS location data of animals captured on trail cameras. Also, saturating all or most available water sources with trail cameras in a hunt unit not only disrupts the animals ability to obtain water as camera owners come and go from waters that have as many as 25 or more cameras, but also creates hunter congestion and hunter competition issues. The accessibility to our public lands combined with our wildlife’s dependence on our extremely limited water sources make for some real challenges for both wildlife and outdoor enthusiasts. Proponents of the regulation were quick to point out that whether enhanced, protected, or human created water sources (guzzlers), the waters’ primary purpose is to assist in herd health and herd growth, not for placement of a technological device at an animal concentration site that potentially makes it easier to kill trophy animals.

 

The new trail camera regulation states that a person shall not place, maintain, or use a trail camera or similar device on public land, or private land without permission from the land owner, from August 1 to December 31 of each year, or if the camera is capable of transmitting the images or video, it shall not be used from July 1 to December 31. The regulation does provide some limited exemptions for livestock monitoring, research, and other miscellaneous uses.

 

NDOW recognizes that there are wholesome and legitimate uses of trail cameras, and unfortunately the use of cameras have been exploited far beyond most sportsmen’s definition of reasonable. If you come across a trail camera on public land from August 1 to December 31, NDOW is asking that you leave the camera alone, and consider calling an NDOW office to report its location.

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Nevada Department of Wildlife

 

 

Congratulations to Nevada...WELL DONE!!! AZ should follow suit...

[Yuma Outdoorsman]

So where does one draw the line on "hunter ethics?" We can't use trail cameras on water because they aid people in the harvesting of animals and it's not fair chase. I see the argument and acknowledge that's a fair point. My rebuttal is we have all sorts of top of the line equipment now days that makes "fair chase" hunting almost non-existent. From rifles that shoot to 1000+ yards, bows that can shoot to 100+ yards, binoculars that see for miles, rangefinders that give yardage readings at extreme distances and even give yardage to account for arc; just to name a few. I'm not taking one side or the other, if trail cameras are banned from water then so be it. Just funny to see guys who are against trail cameras because of "fair chase" yet have all the top gear that makes hunting no more fair chase than a stationary camera taking pictures at a water hole in my opinion.

[Swivelhead]

So where does one draw the line on "hunter ethics?" We can't use trail cameras on water because they aid people in the harvesting of animals and it's not fair chase. I see the argument and acknowledge that's a fair point. My rebuttal is we have all sorts of top of the line equipment now days that makes "fair chase" hunting almost non-existent. From rifles that shoot to 1000+ yards, bows that can shoot to 100+ yards, binoculars that see for miles, rangefinders that give yardage readings at extreme distances and even give yardage to account for arc; just to name a few. I'm not taking one side or the other, if trail cameras are banned from water then so be it. Just funny to see guys who are against trail cameras because of "fair chase" yet have all the top gear that makes hunting no more fair chase than a stationary camera taking pictures at a water hole in my opinion.

The modern equipment you mention in your post (except trail cams) all have one thing in common: The user must be present to operate said equipment. Most of us can only use 1 rifle, bow, etc., at any given moment. Same with optics, rangefinders, etc.

Maintaining 7/24/365 surveilance in 5, 10, 20+ locations is a tremedous advantage when "proofing" an area for whatever it is a TC user is looking for. That being said, automated surveilance of public places is not a AZGF issue.

[AZ23]

So where does one draw the line on "hunter ethics?" We can't use trail cameras on water because they aid people in the harvesting of animals and it's not fair chase. I see the argument and acknowledge that's a fair point. My rebuttal is we have all sorts of top of the line equipment now days that makes "fair chase" hunting almost non-existent. From rifles that shoot to 1000+ yards, bows that can shoot to 100+ yards, binoculars that see for miles, rangefinders that give yardage readings at extreme distances and even give yardage to account for arc; just to name a few. I'm not taking one side or the other, if trail cameras are banned from water then so be it. Just funny to see guys who are against trail cameras because of "fair chase" yet have all the top gear that makes hunting no more fair chase than a stationary camera taking pictures at a water hole in my opinion.

Fair question. I don't have the answer but I see banning trail cams as a step down that path back to fair chase.

[MT_Sourdough]

Ha,Ha, ha you jokers are so confused, you missed the fact that this is a done deal for now. Freedom won and nanny state lost.

[Swivelhead]

Ha,Ha, ha you jokers are so confused, you missed the fact that this is a done deal for now. Freedom won and nanny state lost.

Yes it is but the issue will come again. Likely at the Federal level.

[lonne]

Guys, hunters are not the only people using trail cams. This rule discriminates against us, and in the long term won't reduce the number of cameras photographers and wildlife watchers are hanging at waterholes.

 

Bill Quimby

Echo Bill's comments.

[trophyseeker]

 

Guys, hunters are not the only people using trail cams. This rule discriminates against us, and in the long term won't reduce the number of cameras photographers and wildlife watchers are hanging at waterholes.

 

Bill Quimby

Echo Bill's comments.

 

 

These are the only exemptions written in the actual regulation:

 

2. The provisions of subsection 1 do not apply to:

 

(a) A person who is acting within the scope of his or her official duties, has clearly marked

each trail camera or similar device to be used to indicate ownership and is:

 

(1) An employee or authorized agent of this State;

(2) An employee of a municipal or county government of this State;

(3) An employee of the Federal Government; or

(4) An employee of any industry or any other person who uses the trail camera or

similar device in consultation with the Department.

 

(b ) A trail camera or similar device placed, maintained or used on private property with the

permission of the landowner.

 

(c ) A trail camera or similar device placed, maintained or used to monitor the use by livestock of any water source described in paragraph (b ) of subsection 1 if the owner of the trail camera or similar device is the holder of a permit to appropriate water issued by the State Engineer for the purpose of watering livestock.