ronk Report post Posted March 17, 2018 these are all good points that should be presented to the Commission and see what the department's response will be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
knothead Report post Posted March 17, 2018 I think unit 9 elk has a lot of abusers as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted March 17, 2018 What is an abuser Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adicted Report post Posted March 17, 2018 I have seen tanks with 10-15 cams on them uo north Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idgaf Report post Posted March 17, 2018 Sweet. So one of my top 3 favorite things to do is banned. I like how there's no way to establish intent of the cam so if you're just using it for fun and not hunting they'll just steal your cam off water? They made your other two favorite things legal? Heroine and hookers... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trophyseeker Report post Posted March 17, 2018 Sweet. So one of my top 3 favorite things to do is banned. I like how there's no way to establish intent of the cam so if you're just using it for fun and not hunting they'll just steal your cam off water? At least they didn't ban your beloved massage parlors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted March 17, 2018 You guys are sick. It's topless dancers and posting on CWT 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trophyseeker Report post Posted March 17, 2018 Why punish the OTC archery hunters in the 30 units who are happy to shoot a 2 point off of water? It doesn't ban killing a two-point off of water; it bans using a trail camera to that end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MT_Sourdough Report post Posted March 17, 2018 The more I consider this rule, the more I realize how it doesn't mean much. As I interpret things, it doesn't say using the cams on water is entirely illegal unless they can prove that a camera belongs to a particular successful hunter. It's written in a way that suggests they have certain violators in their sights. If the fish n'game put in the time and effort they can get violators whom they target. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5guyshunting Report post Posted March 17, 2018 The more I consider this rule, the more I realize how it doesn't mean much. As I interpret things, it doesn't say using the cams on water is entirely illegal unless they can prove that a camera belongs to a particular successful hunter. It's written in a way that suggests they have certain violators in their sights. If the fish n'game put in the time and effort they can get violators whom they target. And every gomer pyle will confinscate all the cameras they find. "Citizen's arrest!!!" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trophyseeker Report post Posted March 17, 2018 The more I consider this rule, the more I realize how it doesn't mean much. As I interpret things, it doesn't say using the cams on water is entirely illegal unless they can prove that a camera belongs to a particular successful hunter. It's written in a way that suggests they have certain violators in their sights. If the fish n'game put in the time and effort they can get violators whom they target. Reread the statute again. There is nothing about a "particular successful hunter" mentioned. Pay specific attention to the words in RED and then refer to the game laws for the definitions of "taking" and "aiding." Also note that the wording says "wildlife," i.e. that's not just deer and elk. That can include quail, waterfowl or even predators. So a "tag" is not a prequisite for a citation. 5. A person shall not use any trail camera, or images from a trail camera, for the purpose of taking or aiding in the take of wildlife within one-fourth mile (440 yards) of the outer perimeter of a developed water source. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
knothead Report post Posted March 17, 2018 I guarantee a lawyer helped write the rule and it was written like this on purpose. To you and I it may be confusing but to an attorney it is called wordsmithing. Vagueness leaves open the door of interpretation. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eagle mountain ranch Report post Posted March 17, 2018 Trail cams should sell at retailers pretty cheap here in Az coming up soon I would assume.. Lol 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MT_Sourdough Report post Posted March 18, 2018 The more I consider this rule, the more I realize how it doesn't mean much. As I interpret things, it doesn't say using the cams on water is entirely illegal unless they can prove that a camera belongs to a particular successful hunter. It's written in a way that suggests they have certain violators in their sights. If the fish n'game put in the time and effort they can get violators whom they target. Reread the statute again. There is nothing about a "particular successful hunter" mentioned. Pay specific attention to the words in RED and then refer to the game laws for the definitions of "taking" and "aiding." Also note that the wording says "wildlife," i.e. that's not just deer and elk. That can include quail, waterfowl or even predators. So a "tag" is not a prequisite for a citation. 5. A person shall not use any trail camera, or images from a trail camera, for the purpose of taking or aiding in the take of wildlife within one-fourth mile (440 yards) of the outer perimeter of a developed water source. The more I consider this rule, the more I realize how it doesn't mean much. As I interpret things, it doesn't say using the cams on water is entirely illegal unless they can prove that a camera belongs to a particular successful hunter. It's written in a way that suggests they have certain violators in their sights. If the fish n'game put in the time and effort they can get violators whom they target. Reread the statute again. There is nothing about a "particular successful hunter" mentioned. Pay specific attention to the words in RED and then refer to the game laws for the definitions of "taking" and "aiding." Also note that the wording says "wildlife," i.e. that's not just deer and elk. That can include quail, waterfowl or even predators. So a "tag" is not a prequisite for a citation. 5. A person shall not use any trail camera, or images from a trail camera, for the purpose of taking or aiding in the take of wildlife within one-fourth mile (440 yards) of the outer perimeter of a developed water source. Whatever. I think you are interpreting the law the way you want without considering the scenario in which an official connects a hunter to a camera. It doesn't say no cameras at water holes. Just not for the taking or aiding in taking game. So the official would need to know that a person is using a camera for taking game or any other purpose. That would require more than s just busting people for hanging cameras at water holes. I think this law will allow officials to target certain individuals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swivelhead Report post Posted March 18, 2018 Game & Fish will have a difficult time getting convictions IMO. Should G&F go into confiscation mode @ water, I think G&F could be easily set up for a lawsuit by a lawful trailcam user. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
