firstcoueswas80 Report post Posted January 2, 2008 Mike, you have a little bit of time before hunting season, save a few more bucks. I sugest you go to 24hourcampfire.com and longrangeshooting.com and make a "wanted" post in the classifieds. thats how i got my scope, and it was $600 brand new, shipped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TAM Report post Posted January 2, 2008 Both of the fore mentioned Zeiss scopes will run over $600. I don't think you'll be unhappy with the Monarch at all. Just make sure to talk with the folks at Kenton before you buy it. My Monarch is an older model and they do not build a knob for it, but when I spoke with them they did make a knob for the newer versions. That's one of the reasons I bought the Zeiss. Good luck! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GameHauler Report post Posted January 3, 2008 I took another good look at the Ziess. The problem with them is that I want at least a 16 power top end and no more than a 5 MAX lower end They have a 4.5-14 or a 6-20 Just does not fit my needs Nikon has the 5-20X44 that I think would fill my needs better. Anyone got a better idea, I am all ears. I just want to be able to make a CLEAN shot at 600yds if I HAVE to. Yes I will do a ton of practice. That is why I want it built as soon as possable Casey. And I am also looking for reloading eguipment. Thanks, Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TAM Report post Posted January 3, 2008 For what it's worth the guys on the Longrange hunting video are using 14 power scopes and making 1000 yard pokes! If they can do it at 1000 with 14, I'll bet you can do it at 600 with 16. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GameHauler Report post Posted January 3, 2008 Then why do you have a 6.5X20 and a 6X16 Tim?? Have you ever had a problem with to much low end power? Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coues Sniper Report post Posted January 4, 2008 Mike, i just found this thread. Seems you have the turret thing figured out, but as far as the power on your scope goes... I have a 4.5-14 Leupold and have had no trouble shooting out to 1000 yards and i would feel comfortable shooting at a coues deer out to 700 (300 RUM), and I'm no pro. You should be able to shoot out to 600 with 14 power with zero issues. Nothing wrong with the other scopes you mentioned, just wanted you to know that 14 power would be very adequate in my opinion for what you are wanting to do. And for what it's worth, I've found that scopes with a 6X low end were too much magnification for close up shots, especially if they were moving. But i didn't have a 56mm objective either which would have made a difference. Anyways, my 2 cents. Good luck with whatever you decide. Kevin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GameHauler Report post Posted January 4, 2008 Thanks Kevin for your reply. I would really like to have a 3-4 low end I was just not sure that 14 would be enough on top I would realy like to have more on top. Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TAM Report post Posted January 4, 2008 I guess I've got the higher power magnifications to compensate for my lack of shooting skills? I wasn't trying to talk you out of going with higher power, I was just pointing out that it is well within the scopes abilities to shoot at those distances. I shot a bedded coues buck in Mexico last year at 404 yards and All I could see was his head and about 6 inches of neck. I hit him perfectly dead center of his neck and rolled him over. That shot was at the last seconds of light and I was using my Nikon Monarch 6-16 scope. It handled the task very nicely. I shot a buck in Utah this fall at about 75 yards on the low power setting and nailed him. I also had a late Kaibab deer tag a couple months ago and connected on a big buck at 72 yards. That one was with my Ziess scope on low power and it felt real good as well. I will say on my two close shots this year both bucks were standing and not running. I think one reason I like the 6 power low end setting is so I don't take close up running shots. Thats how you end up with the ground shrinkage thing. My set up and style of hunting is long range. There aren't many scope choices that will satisify both close running shots and long range shots. Pick your poison and don't look back! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstcoueswas80 Report post Posted January 4, 2008 Mike, I have shot pie plates at 500 yards on 14 with my aiming point being a orange dot the size of a quarter with no problem. You will be able to make the shot with 14 power. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GameHauler Report post Posted January 5, 2008 Woo Hoo, Got my stock today It a Boyds Laminate with the finger groves and vented forearm. It weighs in a 1/4# lighter than the old factory stock. But of course there is a problem The comb is to high to look thru the scope without pushing my cheek down hard. So it looks like I will Have to go with a 50MM scope for the replacement. How much height will the scope gain with the 50MM? 5MM? I do not have 5MM between the scope and barrel now with the 40MM so I am guessing I will need new rings which would be taller. Total height gain of 10MM? Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TAM Report post Posted January 5, 2008 Nice looking stock! You could also just buy some taller scope rings and go with the 40mm scope. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GameHauler Report post Posted January 5, 2008 Nice looking stock! You could also just buy some taller scope rings and go with the 40mm scope. I was waiting for you to say that The main reason for not wanting to go with a 50MM is because I an not sure I can slip it into my Eberlestock pack. And the increased scope cost. Anyone doing this? Need Money anyone looking for anything Just ask Gino, I got more crap than any man should. How about a really nice older travel trailer for $800.00? As is, since I know nothing about RV's Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstcoueswas80 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 Mike, I have the J107 and my gun with my 50mm scope with extra high rings fits in the scabbard. it is a snug fit, but it fits! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GameHauler Report post Posted January 5, 2008 Mike, I have the J107 and my gun with my 50mm scope with extra high rings fits in the scabbard. it is a snug fit, but it fits! Casey I have a J105 do you know if there is any diff. in the scabbards Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Rabbit Report post Posted January 6, 2008 Mike, I agree with Tim in just getting higher scope rings. Or you could sand down the comb on the stock. It looks high enough to get in the way of the cleaning rod that you might need to clean from the muzzle and not the breech. Use a muzzle guide to protect the crown. Doug~RR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites