cmc Report post Posted January 12, 2018 My fellow public land advocates please take note of the new bill, HB2210, that just cropped up in our AZ state legislation - https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/53leg/2R/bills/hb2210p.pdf "DIRECTING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO COMMENCE AN ACTION TO ATTEMPT TO GAINOWNERSHIP OR CONTROL OF THE PUBLIC LANDS WITHIN THIS STATE" Text of the bill....REFERENCE TITLE: public lands; ownership; control; litigationState of ArizonaHouse of RepresentativesFifty-third LegislatureSecond Regular Session2018HB 2210Introduced byRepresentatives Finchem: Allen J, Barton, Bowers, Boyer, Clodfelter, Cobb, Cook, Farnsworth E, Grantham, John, Kern, Lawrence, Leach, Livingston, Mitchell, Norgaard, Nutt, Payne, Rivero, Shooter, Stringer, Thorpe, Toma, Townsend, Weninger, Senators Allen S, Borrelli, Burges, Farnsworth D, Griffin, Kavanagh, Petersen, SmithAN ACTdirecting the attorney general to commence an action to attempt to gain ownership or control of the public lands within this state.(TEXT OF BILL BEGINS ON NEXT PAGE)Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Arizona:Section 1. Public lands; ownership and control; attorney general; analysis; litigation; delayed repealA. On or before September 17, 2018, the attorney general shall analyze at least the following legal theories that this state may pursue to attempt to gain ownership or control of the public lands within this state:1. The equal sovereignty principle, which recognizes that for a federal republic such as the United States to function, each member of the republic must be equal in sovereign power.2. The equal footing doctrine, which recognizes that each state must be admitted to the United States on an equal footing with the original thirteen states.3. The compact theory, which recognizes that a compact was formed between this state and the federal government under which this state agreed to allow the federal government to retain land within its borders and the federal government agreed to promptly and completely dispose of that land by sale or grant.4. The property clause, which recognizes that the framers of the United States Constitution intended to grant the power to regulate federal lands only in the context of disposal, not to permanently retain the majority of the land within a state.B. On or before October 1, 2018, the attorney general shall submit a report of the attorney general's analysis pursuant to subsection A of this section to the president of the senate and the speaker of the house of representatives.C. On or after November 1, 2018, and after consulting with the president of the senate and the speaker of the house of representatives, the attorney general may commence an action to attempt to gain ownership or control of the public lands within this state.D. This section is repealed from and after September 30, 2026. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildwoody Report post Posted January 13, 2018 Hate legal mambo jumbo , I take it this is bad? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NRS Report post Posted January 13, 2018 Hate legal mambo jumbo , I take it this is bad? Essentially they want to take YOUR public lands that you have free accesws to since you and all the other citizens of this country own them and them make you pay an access fee to the State Land Department to hunt and fish on them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Goldfinger78 Report post Posted January 13, 2018 Weninger one of the names who introduced the bill is the owner of the restaurant where I work. I got into a argument with him about it a few months back. In a nut shell the state is going to take public land and lease/sell it to make money. They could also make hunters pay a premium to have access to lands that are not leased or sold. This is very bad!!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildwoody Report post Posted January 13, 2018 10/4.. Apply pressure it take it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bonecollector777 Report post Posted January 13, 2018 I work with the son of one of the senators that introduced it. I'll ask him what the heck she is thinking. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10Turkeys Report post Posted January 13, 2018 One of the guys Bowers, if that's Rusty Bowers which I'm sure it is, tried to close Rio Salado Sportsmans Club a few years ago. He owns land next to the range and tried to get it shut down, so some land developer could get his hands on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PRDATR Report post Posted January 13, 2018 One of the guys Bowers, if that's Rusty Bowers which I'm sure it is, tried to close Rio Salado Sportsmans Club a few years ago. He owns land next to the range and tried to get it shut down, so some land developer could get his hands on it. They have been trying to do that as far back as I can remember, decades and decades. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ctafoya Report post Posted January 13, 2018 We already pay a fee for access to lands. Its called TAXES. This needs to get shut down. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PRDATR Report post Posted January 13, 2018 We already pay a fee for access to lands. Its called TAXES. This needs to get shut down. And the darn Tonto Pass or parking "Day Use" fees at some of the lakes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattys281 Report post Posted January 13, 2018 We already pay a fee for access to lands. Its called TAXES. This needs to get shut down. Amen to that. I pay plenty of access fees already. I get tired of this crap every year. When are we ever going to have a ‘representative ‘ that actually cares about the people the got elected to represent. Whether you’re a hunter, hiker, mountain biker, or weekend car camper, these bills are bad news for ANY ONE that likes nature 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZLance Report post Posted January 13, 2018 The sky is falling... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Tub Report post Posted January 14, 2018 We already pay a fee for access to lands. Its called TAXES. This needs to get shut down. Actually for state lands, it's your hunting and fishing license. No target practice, Questionable stand on camping. If it were managed properly, control would be closer to home but the state has a poorer track record compared to the feds, which have themselves been bad lately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MT_Sourdough Report post Posted January 14, 2018 As a political independent I'll point out the obvious cuz you'all won't. Whether it is this situation or Utah or Nevada and everywhere else in the West this is happenning. IT IS YOUR BELOVED REPUBLICANS WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZLance Report post Posted January 14, 2018 So we want BLM style management for our federal lands??? No thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites