.270 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 i can't believe these stupid dang idiots did what they did. check this out. http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/s...iggame1014.html they actually went through with it. bighorns were not even part of the uso &^%$ lawsuit but our jackass commission just took at least 5% more of our bighorn permits away. now there are going to be 15% of the bighorn permits guaranteed to go to nonresidents. i bet taulman and his lawyers are laughing there asses off. as it was, no more than 10% could go to non residents. it was very seldom that 10% of them did go to nonresidents. it was the luck of the draw. now they're guaranteed 15%!!!! i feel groin kicked. i can think of a place i'd like to see the chechenian terrorists hit. this is pure BS brought on by a buncha chickenlivered, spineless creeps, i.e. shroufe and his puppet commission. this makes me sick. Lark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ernesto C Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Yes is to bad we are loosing big time what's next?antelope and coues? There some good news also like no more internet or online application at least for one year and the requirement that applicants must have a license in order to apply along with other ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bullwidgeon Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Lark, They did that because last year they FUBAR'd and did not apply any restrictions to them and they (NR's) drew 20% of our desert sheep tags. I say 15% is better than 20% but the entire deal just stinks especially since tags numbers have gone down for the last 3 years now total in a row. A good time to be a sheep guide but a bad time to have max bonus points and years of time invested in the Sheep Society and habitat projects waiting for a sheep tag that will probably never come ...... Bret M. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 i called the game and fish and pinned down some drawing coordinator and he told me that the 20% deal wasn't right. said less than 10% the permits went to nonresidents. where did you hear this 20% deal brett? i'm in the process of sending a smoker of a letter to the commission and shroufey boy and if what you say is really what happened, then i got lied to. and, 15% maybe better than 20%, but it is half again more than 10% and i don't give a %$#@ why they're doing it. only thing i care about is that they are. sorry dogs. i'd almost bet this is some sort of a payoff to taulman. my letter even asks that. "hey george ol' buddy if you don't sue us anymore, we'll give ya some sheeptags". Lark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treestandman1 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Lark, I'ts good to have you as a fellow hunter. Keep up the good work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gnoto Report post Posted October 14, 2004 This is really easy to fix. Make the non resident license for big game $500. That way only real hunters from out of state willing to take a chance get one. i believe other states do it that way Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 yeah, that's all the world needs is a bunch more "me's". hotheaded, ignernt, dimwitted, uneducated. but i am good lookin' and passionate about what interests me. well, i'm headed to the post office to mail off some letters that will probably get me put on the bottom of the back page of the blacklist for folks that ain't never gonna get drawn again in Az. i included my usual rants and raves about how shroufe and all the commissioners should resign and let some folks with some brains and backbone, and who have no political affiliation, take over. sent a note to the desert sheep society to see if they had an opinion on this, but haven't heard back. maybe i'll wait to hear from them to send these letters. also included a copy of the uso press release where boy george declares that there won't be any nonres quotas for sheep. thanks for that resend diablo. sure seems to tie things together. in all the other things that they are going to change, they included at least a small explanation of why they wanted to do it. the sheep change just says they are gonna change it and offers no explanation. i really think they are trying to hide something. i'm firmly convinced these guys are liars. i know the guy that i talked to some weeks back about the goof on the nonres's getting 20% of the sheep permits is a liar. he flat out lied to me. stinkin' pig. are there any game wardens that cruise this site? if so, pipe up. quit bein' sissies. stand up and take your knocks for supporting this crap. well, your odds are all gonna go up next year, because my applications probably won't be accepted. later, Lark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
111 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 .270 let us know if you get a response from azgf. I started giving them my advice this year and I happened to get a elk tag after 6 years of applying. Not sure if that had anything to do with it, but no advice to azgf will never help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 i will. but i don't think you can call this letter advice. more the rants of a madman. you just got lucky this year,111. sending them advice didn't have anything to do with it. they don't even listen to their own bioligists. i'm rebuilding an old horsetrailer right now. gonna make one just like i've always wanted. sturdy and set up to carry all my junk. anyway, it needs repainting real bad, but i probly won't get to that till this winter sometime. too much to do now to get ready for november. i'm gonna paint a couple places at the top of tail gates white and in one i'm gonna write taulman and in the other either griz or shroufe, ain't decided yet. then there's gonna be an arrow pointing to the top of the tailgate. where you'll see a horses @$$. so if you see dirty red gmc with an ugly horsetrailer that has that on the back, wave. and use all your fingers. what's with the one finger deal i usually get anyway? Lark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bullwidgeon Report post Posted October 14, 2004 Lark, I saw the figures in an Arizona Desert Bighorn Sheep Society Board metting. The figures came from Game and Fish. There were 82 sheep tags this year, non residents got 16. That is like 19.5 percent. This was their numbers, they would not revoke the tags and re-issue them back to residents down to the proper amount because they messed up and sent the tags before anyone caught the mistake and were afraid of adverse legal action. It would be pretty simple I figure, to just get in touch with someone in the draw office who has access to the list and ask them how many NR tags they sent out for sheep, opf course be real frindly to them and don't let on you are going to be using the numbers to hammer them in a following letter. Or, if any of you guides or outfitters paid for the draw list to look for clients this year and can look that up for us that would be great. I just saw a spreadsheet and not the peoples actual adresses and such. Anyways, I hope that helps a little bit, the days of us assuming the G&F always looks out for our best interest and are in control should be over. I hate to sound paranoid but never trust a government agency to look out for your best interests. Just imagine how chingered up healthcare is going to get if Kerry wins Bret M. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatfootdoc Report post Posted October 14, 2004 I grew up in AZ and now live in NM, still enjoy deer hunting in AZ, as gnoto put it $500 for non residents, is a little steep for a license and now since you have to have one before even applying for a big game tag that would probably keep me from hunting there. It seems some of you hunt deer in NM, I know bullwidgeon has a few times as I saw him in 23 last Nov and saw their parties deer(very nice). So it would be nice if the license and tag costs were equivalent. It would be nice if whatever solution they come up with will be fair for all parties. With people having to pay up front for a license and tag, that will cut down on the nonresidents applying for AZ. I wish NM would go back to that as it does keep the knotheads from applying. So for a transplanted Arizonan I would really like to be able to continue to hunt there and have it be economically feasible, if not I guess I would just have to sell my kids AG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted October 14, 2004 fatfoot, you got a boy about 14 or so, that's strong and can work around the house? and maybe be a decent hi school football player? i'll spot ya the price of an Az. nonres elk tag for him. we feed good too. all my lawnmowers grood up and left. this workin' is killin' me. bullwidgeon, i talked with the director of the draw or some deal. he told me that wasn't what happened. said that was bad info. i'm thinkin' you're tellin' the truth and he's a stinkin' liar. i really wish i'da writ his name down so i'd have a place to start. i could kinda tell when i talked to him that he didn't want to talk to me about this subject. and you're right, we can no longer trust the commission we have or shroufe. there has to be a change. everyone needs to go to the next public meeting and raise heck. then need to know that folks ar tired of playing along with their protocol and are ready to rebel. like malcolm x said, by whatever means neccessary. Lark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bullwidgeon Report post Posted October 14, 2004 fatfootdoc, You got it better in NM, especially after 2-3 years of the draw hunts they are going too. It really will be land of the whopper then . I am sure no one really wants higher prices and feel bad for people trying to get their kids into what is becoming and icreasingly expensive sport. lark, I saw the stats, 2 G and F employess were in the meeting they didn't cry foul when the numbers were presented. I know some outfitter or guide will read this with the list, they should be able to clarify it for us. Anyways, good luck with the mowing and the trailer, I hear Sears has riding mowers for a little less than the cost of a good horse, maybe you should sell the horse look into one oldtimer. Bwaaahahahahahaha!!! Bret M. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatfootdoc Report post Posted October 15, 2004 .270 Let me see what the non resident license fees are next year, we might be able to work out a deal!!! AG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
az4life Report post Posted October 15, 2004 I tell you, there is one thing we are getting out of this USO crappy lawsuit. Now when something is a FUBAR we have another slang term for it. Sort of like president Clinton giving us all a Lewinsky when he lied under oath, and got away with it! I think we generally agree the AZGFD "TAULMANNED" this one up for the AZ residents. Seems like we owe some Thanks to the Commission for helping us grab our collective ankles. I REALLY hate to say it, but I feel like we got a bad Taulman without so much as a smile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
