couesmagnet Report post Posted October 9, 2017 And if your off 2 or 3 inches, you end up like the picture. Not an ethical shot, you got lucky.At 15 yards or less and at that time shooting bottle caps sized groups at 50 yards, it was nearly impossible to be off more than an inch on the shot. Knowing exactly where the spot to hit is more about it all, and I knew exactly where to shoot. It's not lucky in any way to put an arrow at that distance within an inch or less or where I was shooting. These days I'm not nearly as good of shot as I was back then so the shot would have tk be 10 yards or less, and there would be no luck required to put an arrow right up that canal no problem. To each his own on your opinion of my shot, and it's all good that you feel this way , but that's an easy shot for someone that's proficient with a bow, and Better yet calm when shooting at an animal. 2 reasons luck played zero role in my shot. First being knowing the spot I shot at which isn't just an butt shot and being very proficient with a bow.Anyways I respect your opinion and I wouldn't recommend anyone shooting the shot on an elk, unless it's super close and they know the structure of the animal. Yep and no elk has ever moved more than an inch between when you squeeze the release and when the arrow gets there has it? I am only pitching in this ethics battle because it shouldn't be promoted to take questionable shots when you could let it walk and work on getting a better shot. It's not life or death for you so don't make it suffer for your bragging rights. Unless you just like to look at butt holes and that's your thing. I'll take shots i'm proficient with and i know can be done at close distances, and you can choose not to take shots i'm comfortable taking. It's all good. That's the great thing about this, you don't have to do something i would do, and don't have to not do something cause you can't handle it or wouldnt do it. Calm down a little you seem like your getting a little horny over the subject at hand. Just saying!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5guyshunting Report post Posted October 9, 2017 I never thought there would be a debate on butthole shots. Unbelievable! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted October 9, 2017 And if your off 2 or 3 inches, you end up like the picture. Not an ethical shot, you got lucky. Not getting into ethics but if you are off 2-3 inches at 15 yards you shouldn't be hunting. bull screaming in your face and only off 2-3" off target isnt bad at all imo Very true, things get hectic quick in those situations and things happen. Still at that distance things have to go south fast to be 2-3 inches off your desired POI if you're at least somewhat proficient. I'm never planning on aiming at an animals bunghole anyway. 2" off behind the shoulder not a huge deal 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Non-Typical Solutions Report post Posted October 9, 2017 Like my daddy always used to tell me.....everybody's got one!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted October 9, 2017 This year has realized that on elk, I don't really see a reason to take questionable shots. It's not that hard to get close, and they move enough that getting a broadside shot most of the time is a matter of patience. I could have taken head on or facing away shots at close range, but didn't really see a reason to. There are enough other things that can go wrong, why risk a bad angle. yeah theyre so easy to get up on and a clear shot that everyone shoots 370 bulls Size of a trophy has zero impact on shot selection. The number of 370 bulls has more to do with the number of 370 bulls around than the difficulty of stalking rutting elk. Being 370 has a lot to do with it being a smart bull hard to sneak on and get an easy shot. Forget 370 then, does everyone kill the biggest bull they see on a hunt? If they were east to sneak up on then everyone would Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
couesmagnet Report post Posted October 9, 2017 I never thought there would be a debate on butthole shots. Unbelievable! 95 percent of the time it shouldnt be attempted. All i'm saying with knowledge and 5 percent of the time it's doable. In my years of guiding i've seen so many elk get wounded under 40 yards and broadside shots to boot. There's guys that could shoot the eye out of a gnat that can't hit the broadside of a barn if it's an animal. With all the broadside wounded bulls i've witnessed over the years from clients and friends one could argue very well that even a broadside shot is unethical. Heck one could argue that more bulls get wounded with a bow every year than actually die when hit with an arrow. There's some that think based on the kill/wounded rate of archerty hunting elk that using a bow is unethical. Where's the line for unethicalness to be drawn. I would like to hope it's in the eye of the beholders capabilities and or talents that the ethical argument begins and ends. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5guyshunting Report post Posted October 9, 2017 I never thought there would be a debate on butthole shots. Unbelievable! 95 percent of the time it shouldnt be attempted. All i'm saying with knowledge and 5 percent of the time it's doable. In my years of guiding i've seen so many elk get wounded under 40 yards and broadside shots to boot. There's guys that could shoot the eye out of a gnat that can't hit the broadside of a barn if it's an animal. With all the broadside wounded bulls i've witnessed over the years from clients and friends one could argue very well that even a broadside shot is unethical. Heck one could argue that more bulls get wounded with a bow every year than actually die when hit with an arrow. There's some that think based on the kill/wounded rate of archerty hunting elk that using a bow is unethical. Where's the line for unethicalness to be drawn. I would like to hope it's in the eye of the beholders capabilities and or talents that the ethical argument begins and ends. Yea I read it, but I won't debate buthole shots. Good day Sir. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
300RUM Report post Posted October 10, 2017 I never thought there would be a debate on butthole shots. Unbelievable! Did we all just fall down a rabbit hole and end up in San Francisco? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
25-06 Report post Posted October 10, 2017 Do they sale butt hole elk targets anywhere? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muleybowhunter Report post Posted October 11, 2017 what unit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AzDiamondHeat Report post Posted October 11, 2017 Do they sale butt hole elk targets anywhere?Spread the joy.....lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dcshorthairs Report post Posted October 11, 2017 what unit? Unit 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jim Report post Posted October 11, 2017 Find someone with the cow tag hunts coming up and see if they will harvest her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TexasHunter Report post Posted October 11, 2017 I bet the meat will taste like poop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
