Any backpackers on CWT hike the AZT?

[bojangles]

My horse crapping is not against the law. Pretty juvenile to point that out.

People who don't regularly use wilderness areas often say this bike thing should pass but these areas were set aside so they would be untouched and untaimed, ounce the bikes get in there now it will be a zoo everywhere.

There are enough great rides in the world and no reason to ruin a good thing for a minority group

 

 

i do think equestrians should at least shovel the poo off the trail. You speak of untouched and untamed...

 

i'm not sure why there is so much conflict between mountainbikers and equestrians,

 

Can't we just all get along? lol.

[Tac]

In case you haven't noticed Edge they keep closing roads and areas and I,m not happy about it. Next the will say no hunting in wilderness areas. Then we will all lose just like in federal parks. I usually hike into the wilderness areas for the same reasons you do to get away from people.

[Edge]

In case you haven't noticed Edge they keep closing roads and areas and I,m not happy about it. Next the will say no hunting in wilderness areas. Then we will all lose just like in federal parks. I usually hike into the wilderness areas for the same reasons you do to get away from people.

If that's your perception then what are you doing about besides whining about equines on an AZ Trail thread?

[Edge]

 

My horse crapping is not against the law. Pretty juvenile to point that out.

People who don't regularly use wilderness areas often say this bike thing should pass but these areas were set aside so they would be untouched and untaimed, ounce the bikes get in there now it will be a zoo everywhere.

There are enough great rides in the world and no reason to ruin a good thing for a minority group

 

 

i do think equestrians should at least shovel the poo off the trail. You speak of untouched and untamed...

 

i'm not sure why there is so much conflict between mountainbikers and equestrians,

 

Can't we just all get along? lol.

Laughable. Last year you were hitting me up for elk spots in your neighboring Wilderness areas along the AZ Trail you'd never set foot in, now your complaining about horse crap, lol.

 

Truth is I see far more human crap along the trail than horse crap. In fact over the last several decades, I've rarely even encountered other horsemen.

[AZ_SAWBUCK]

Tac, Edge and anyone else who has their OWN opinion on American Wilderness you all need to listen to MeatEater Podcast #72 titled American Wilderness. Tac, I get what you are saying about your way of getting around is on tires and that's fine, but tires aren't meant for OUR lands that were set aside as "Wilderness". Please listen to Steve and his guest with an open mind.

 

Sorry to hijack the OP. JS

[QCwtAddict]

Tac, Edge and anyone else who has their OWN opinion on American Wilderness you all need to listen to MeatEater Podcast #72 titled American Wilderness. Tac, I get what you are saying about your way of getting around is on tires and that's fine, but tires aren't meant for OUR lands that were set aside as "Wilderness". Please listen to Steve and his guest with an open mind.

 

Sorry to hijack the OP. JS

Did someone on that podcast mention about how there are now bike motors that are hidden inside the frame and how that could affect wilderness if bikes were allowed? Seems I heard it on a podcast and I can't remember which one I heard it on. It may have been the hunt backcountry podcast.

[AZ_SAWBUCK]

Yes that address the topic of bikes in the wilderness on this episode.

[MULEPACKHUNTER]

Here is a list of people who have completed the trail.

 

My Dad completed it in 2009. His name is George Hay

 

http://www.aztrail.org/finishers.html

 

I think he told me he rode across the Grand Canyon 7 different times. Once for himself and the rest to help others. He made a ton of friends on that trail.

 

Even though I don't ride anymore I am glad there are still places where only boots and hooves can go. Once it is gone, it will be gone forever. There are plenty of other places for wheeled sports.

Ok back on topic, that's really cool about your dad , that's a dream of mine to ride my own stock into the canyon. Going to happen real soon.

[Red Sparky]

 

There are several sections where it goes thru wilderness areas...no bikes allowed.

There is an arizona trail mountain bike race each year. it's a pretty legendary deal.

 

currently, the race routes around the wilderness areas, however, there is current legislation to allow bikes to use the trail, and other trails in wilderness areas.

 

hopefully this law passes.

 

Is it National Wilderness or State Wilderness? It would have to pass on a National level if it is federal land. I know when I was looking at a trip into the Gila Wilderness the rule was no wheeled vehicles. That means if you had a game cart you would have to take the wheels off and put it on skids. We were able to bike 5 miles in with trailers behind the bikes to the wilderness boundary. Then we had to leave them and continue on foot into the wilderness. Sure am glad nobody was out cleaning up the forest of "abandoned" property chained and locked to trees.

[bojangles]

 

 

 

 

There are several sections where it goes thru wilderness areas...no bikes allowed.

There is an arizona trail mountain bike race each year. it's a pretty legendary deal.

 

currently, the race routes around the wilderness areas, however, there is current legislation to allow bikes to use the trail, and other trails in wilderness areas.

 

hopefully this law passes.

Is it National Wilderness or State Wilderness? It would have to pass on a National level if it is federal land. I know when I was looking at a trip into the Gila Wilderness the rule was no wheeled vehicles. That means if you had a game cart you would have to take the wheels off and put it on skids. We were able to bike 5 miles in with trailers behind the bikes to the wilderness boundary. Then we had to leave them and continue on foot into the wilderness. Sure am glad nobody was out cleaning up the forest of "abandoned" property chained and locked to trees.

Federal.

[bojangles]

 

 

My horse crapping is not against the law. Pretty juvenile to point that out.

People who don't regularly use wilderness areas often say this bike thing should pass but these areas were set aside so they would be untouched and untaimed, ounce the bikes get in there now it will be a zoo everywhere.

There are enough great rides in the world and no reason to ruin a good thing for a minority group

 

i do think equestrians should at least shovel the poo off the trail. You speak of untouched and untamed...

 

i'm not sure why there is so much conflict between mountainbikers and equestrians,

 

Can't we just all get along? lol.

Laughable. Last year you were hitting me up for elk spots in your neighboring Wilderness areas along the AZ Trail you'd never set foot in, now your complaining about horse crap, lol.

 

Truth is I see far more human crap along the trail than horse crap. In fact over the last several decades, I've rarely even encountered other horsemen.

Laughable?

 

We went in on foot and found elk. I drew, but didn't shoot on a questionable shot angle, but my buddy sealed the deal. Took 4 guys two days on the packout.

 

I dont think i hit you up, i think you volunteered; but we decided to go in on our own recon.

 

And i appreciate your offer, it was very generous.

 

I think you're right about the human poo issue as well, theres probly far more of that than horse poop on the trail. But that is beside the fact that horses cause more eco damage than a bicycle ever could. Horsemen hate cyclists, and cyclists hate horsemen equally as well. Im not sure the ill feelings are warranted.

 

Its just nonmotorized transportation.

 

Heres one of the packers, deep in the wilderness on that hunt.

 

 

 

[MULEPACKHUNTER]

Ok very not accurate on the horsemen vs cyclists, I have no problem with bikes or people on them, I have only run across jerks on bikes 1 time. The large majority are very generous on the trail. Utv folks are even better but hikers a lot of times are really unhappy we are in their way.

The bottom line is wilderness is a really good thing and is a very small percentage of the public land

I own a dirt bike, mountain bike, road bike, kayak, backpack, mules, etc, I love using each and hope to continue as often as possible, our lands wilderness or not are always under attack, don't take any of this lightly, as fast as bikes could get into wilderness hunting could be banned as well.