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[Outdoor Writer]

Here is a link to some of the stuff on the AGFD's site. -TONY

 

Jaguar Management

[ruffcountry]

Ruff,

sorry, but your friends is full of beans.. unless his last name is McCain.

I have met the man who took that pic while I was down there working. He is the head honcho biologist for the Borderlands Jaguar Detection Project.. His name is Emil McCain. He took that pic a few years back in the Babos.. That is a male jag that has the name of Macho B. He's been captured on film over 60 times over the last few years by McCain..

 

That's McCain's pic..

 

 

I couldnt tell if he was pulling my leg or not . It looked real to me . I was told it was taken in the chiricahuas , I've spent some time in there and certainly wouldnt doubt that possibility. I really dont know much more than this. I've sat on this for a while and decided to post to see if someone might have seen it before. I dont know if my friend knows McCain . Probaly he was just having fun with me. Still every time I come down off the mountains alone and in the dark I think of this pic .

[Hooked_on_Coues]

Bill seems to have established the Jags are outa the state. Extrapolating that info I would say that any attempts at reintroduction would put the cats in a Non-Resident status. Therefore, they are limited to 10% and must have max points to eat during December. No eating at all above the river, although G&F would tell them they can try.

 

Also, they will have to buy their license prior to eating.

 

If they come out of Mexico it would put them into Illegal immigrant status. I have no problem with this as long as their offspring are not allowed on the welfare system.

[Red Rabbit]

Bill,

I was told that a jag was taken in southwest NM on a USFWS sting operation on a southeast AZ "outfitter/guide" years ago after jags became verbotten.

Doug~RR

[NRS]

I was told that a jag was taken in southwest NM on a USFWS sting operation on a southeast AZ "outfitter/guide" years ago after jags became verbotten.

Doug~RR

 

That was the one killed in the Dos Cabeza's mountains by one of the Klump family. He moved his guiding operation over to NMex. and that is where they busted him.

[billrquimby]

Bill,

I was told that a jag was taken in southwest NM on a USFWS sting operation on a southeast AZ "outfitter/guide" years ago after jags became verbotten.

Doug~RR

 

Here's how that went down:

 

An Arizona houndsman (a member of a well-known southern Arizona ranching family) and a Tucson taxidermist were targeted by the Arizona Game and Fish Department after the word spread around Tucson that the houndsman had killed a jaguar (he had bragged to other hunters about it) and had it mounted by the taxidermist. Two Colorado state game department employees were loaned to the Arizona Game and Fish, and they began by hiring the houndsman to take them bear hunting.

 

One of the Colorado men was of Asian descent, and in the course of a couple of hunts, got the houndsman to sell them bear gall bladders, supposedly for resale in Asia. The outfitter also guided the undercover agents on illegal hunts in Arizona. Before their "sting" was over the agents had killed a bear, a javelina and a bighorn, all out of season, and the houndsman had accepted their money.

 

They also got the houndsman to agree to sell them the lifesize mounts of the Arizona jaguar and a jaguarundi the houndsman had killed outside the U.S..

 

To complete the sting, the agents talked the houndsman and one of his buddies into taking the mounted cats to a motel across the border in New Mexico where money changed hands, and the two outlaws were busted by Arizona and New Mexico state agents and the feds.

 

The taxidermist pled guilty to various charges and paid a fine; the houndsman got off for a couple of reasons. For one, although jaguars were protected in Arizona the feds had neglected to list jaguars in the U.S. on their list of endangered species because at the time it was thought that they were extinct here. (They now are listed.) The feds probably could have prosecuted under the U.S. Lacey Act, which made it illegal to cross state lines with the illegally taken (under state laws) jaguar, but the state had done the sting and the houndsman faced only state charges in Superior Court here in Tucson.

 

The case went on for a couple of years before a judge dismissed it, claiming the agents went too far in killing the bear, javelina and bighorn. He said something lilke this: "The state has been too zealous. It would be like getting inside the Mafia by killing someone."

 

I've forgotten exactly when all this happened, but I think it was in the early 1990s. It definitely was prior to 1994, when I retired from the Tucson Citizen, because I wrote several columns and news articles about it.

 

I learned about the jaguar when someone told me the houndsman had shown him the jaguar in the back of his pickup truck in Tucson! Not long after that AGFD got a search warrant and searched the houndsman's ranch, but found no evidence of the jaguar. After the bust, I spent an hour with the two undercover agents and learned how they had conducted their "investigation."

 

 

Bill Quimby

[NRS]

There is a good bunch of Emil McCains photo's posted on the Borderland Jaguar Detection Project website. He puts a copyright mark on the lower left part of all his photos. That is the part missing from your frends phots(wonder why?). in comparing the photos, it is NOT Macho B which is the one that has been photographed about 60 times so far. I didn't see anything that I could call difinitively as Macho A right side to compare spot paterns, so it could be him, or it could be the one that Warner Glen has photographed twice in the Pelocenillos just north of the border that was caught on a trail cam.