Proposed-Hunt-Guidelines-for-2018-2023

[standman]

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[elkaholic]

can someone else please check to see if the wording actually eliminates dec. whitetail hunts--

[standman]

can someone else please check to see if the wording actually eliminates dec. whitetail hunts--

Look at number 4 under deer. It shows the December whitetail hunts in Dec. week 50.

 

Brian

[daryl_s]

It looks like that to me. 10 day hunt starting on Friday of week 48 and no rifle hunt after that

[dustin25]

I haven't read it very carefully yet, but from what I did read it sounds like a whole bunch of bad news to me

[elkaholic]

basically ---they are wording it to eliminate any hunts at anytime they decide harvest #'s change

 

archers better read and understand the implications of restrictions in #11

[654321]

Anyone dreaming about a CHAMP hunt on the Kaibab better draw this year because it will be the last.

[Analogkid1014]

they are going to do what they want to do regardless of feed back from the public. It is pointless to even attempt to question any of their guidelines and agendas. After several emails from myself and others i know about archery hunts, hunt dates, opportunity, etc....its been pretty clear that they are not willing to listen or change. You ask them for the science or data to explain the idea for change and they dodge the response with answers like "praised for thinking out side the box" and "ahead of the game with innovation". Done asking questions and providing input. Time to start saving up for draws and hunts in other states.

[standman]

Still can't figure out why they don't have mandatory reporting so real hard data can be used.

 

Brian

[elkaholic]

u answered your own question -

 

if we had the facts to prove them wrong

 

they'd be unable to implement or change hunts / programs whenever they want

 

most changes are from bogus harvest numbers- easy when you make up #'s to suit your agenda

 

all this asking imput is just a show and we all know it ( proper procedure for open conversation on paper)

 

most know -- like stated above - very very very rare if not impossible to be able to get G&F commission to change anything once its been proposed

 

 

example--- the commission was told by "biologist" elk ratio for unit 10 cow to bull out of projected ratios

 

biologist suggested more bull tags- now consider they've had 1600 cow rifle tags for the last 10 yrs plus - one might think the best thing would be to reduce cow tags-

 

nope they made a new muzzleloader bull hunt in 10 - 75 tags

 

expected harvest is usually about 35 % so they adopted the suggestion with the thinking that killing a projected 26 additional bulls in unit 10 would be the best way to balance the cow to bull ratio.

 

sorry to say -- written comments or going to these meeting usually produces little if no changes to proposed guidelines

[n2horns]

This is not good news at all. GnF taking away more tags and giving to youth potentially. They can't generate or retain youth hunters after high school. Why does GnF seem to think that youth retention is a high factor to chase and give tags too.

 

Youth leave from high school and go to college/work, they will be gone until they are in their late 20's and may pick it up after that. some may not even start till 30's. GnF spends too much time and money on retention, which is the wrong direction to look. GnF wants more tags in the field like before, they increase # of hunts and reduce the hunt time.

 

It is all about revenue for GnF, their sustainment dollars to keep them going year to year. Going after youth reteintio is a losing proposition, it hurts all of us badly. If GnF wants to do it right, chase the 30's something with kids and get the parents engaged in hunting thus driving kids into hunting.

[brademan76]

Spot on n2horns. Activation at an early age is important no doubt, but the more important challenge is retaining those youth into adulthood, or re-activating them as they become independent and are prioritizing where their time and money are spent.

 

The main folks to benefit from the additional youth opportunities are the parents, who have already decided that hunting is an important part of their lives, obviously hopeful that their children will have the same value. They get to make some great memories, but chances are that trophy will continue to hang in mom and dads house and will only be a reminder of a "previous life" to the children when grown up.

 

If there was a way to channel those opportunities to bring new folks from a non-hunting background in, then I would be all for it.

[trphyhntr]

Indeed, get more adults into hunting and the people that look up to them pick up the sport.

[jim]

I have to disagree about the youth hunts. I have helped on many youth hunts and it was those hunts that made them hunters and they continue to hunt most of them were getting kids out that were from non hunting families. Most youth stay in state and continue to hunt while going to college that i have dealt with. The more youth we get out from behind the electronics the better. Look around your neighborhood and friends and recruit some non hunting youth. You will be surprised on the recruitment end result.

[trphyhntr]

some kids are lucky and have parents that can take time off for youth hunts. many dont have the opportunity and hunt the regular hunts with their dads.