PRDATR Report post Posted June 3, 2017 All he's stating, is that someone who locks access to public lands shouldnt be given taxpayer money. Caught that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flatlander Report post Posted June 3, 2017 All he's stating, is that someone who locks access to public lands shouldnt be given taxpayer money. Caught that. Then why did you ask where I was going with it? The point is, some of these ranchers want to do a lot of taking and don't want to do much giving. The ecosystem should not suffer because of the occupation of one person or family. I support ranching, but it, like all businesses, comes with risks. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted June 4, 2017 why do we need wolves Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted June 4, 2017 Don't we pay taxes for the wolves Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PRDATR Report post Posted June 4, 2017 Don't we pay taxes for the wolves No They are bred in Cananea, joint venture - think NAFTA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AzPlumber Report post Posted June 4, 2017 We should reintroduce Camels and Sloths, maybe even Jellyfish, all of which have historically inhabited Arizona. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmer Negamanee Report post Posted June 4, 2017 To argue against wolf reintroduction by arguing against woolly mammoth reintroduction is to make a straw man argument. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man To argue against wolf reintroduction because our wolf of the Southwest is not genetically pure (the cur dog argument, for lack of a better name) means that if it were proven that the subspecies being reintroduced was just as genetically pure as the main species of the gray wolf or, perhaps more likely, there's no such thing as a "pure bred" wolf in North America then you'd have to withdraw your objection (because I don't know that you could find a gray wolf in North America without a coyote gene in somewhere in the wood pile). https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/science/red-eastern-gray-wolves.html So I suggest we ask ourselves if we are "anti" reintroduction, what are we really against? If we are "pro" reintroduction, what are we really for? Then, let's argue that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites