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SALT LAKE CITY — The LDS Church, the oldest and largest charter organization of the Boy Scouts of America, will drop Scouting from its Young Men's program for boys ages 14 through 17.

Today, about 1 in 6 American Scouts is Mormon. Effective Jan. 1, the move will carve as many 180,000 Mormon boys from the Varsity and Venturing Scout programs in the United States and Canada, replacing them with activities created for boys in those age groups by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The church will continue to sponsor Cub Scouts for boys 8 to 10 and Boy Scout programs for those 11 through 13 in those two countries, but statements released by the church about the announcement signaled that it may drop those programs in the future, too.

The overhaul is stunning, because Scouting has been an indelible, seemingly inseparable, part of the LDS Church's Young Men program for 104 years, but it isn't a major surprise. Church leaders quietly have considered dropping Scouting from its Young Men and Primary programs for many years for multiple reasons.

Church leaders announced the change and the reasons for it via statements in a question-and-answer-style statement on mormonnewsroom.org early Thursday morning.

Why?

The church released a letter from the First Presidency that explained the decision is part of "the church's ongoing effort to evaluate and improve its service to families and young people worldwide."

The mormonnewsroom.org statement shared more detail.

"In most congregations in the United States and Canada, young men ages 14-18 are not being served well by the Varsity or Venturing programs, which have historically been difficult to implement within the church," the statement said. "This change will allow youth and leaders to implement a simplified program that meets local needs while providing activities that balance spiritual, social, physical and intellectual development goals for young men."

The BSA released a statement on Thursday that said in part, "Although thousands of youth and leaders who participate in Venturing crews nationwide embrace and support the program, we recognize that not all programs are a perfect fit for all partners. We anticipate that many youth from the LDS Church will continue to participate in Scouting beyond the age of 14 as young men work to earn the Eagle Scout rank."
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Church leaders long have wrestled with concerns about inequity within the church caused by Scouting. Hundreds of thousands of LDS boys in other countries did not have access to Scouting, and the church has spent more on American boys than girls because of its financial commitment to the Boy Scouts of America.

Discussions about those issues began before highly publicized controversies over BSA decisions to accept gay Scout leaders and gay and transgender Scouts and long before last week's news that Scouting has considered admitting girls to more of its programs. The church said Thursday those issues weren't part of the decision because "BSA has always allowed the Church to operate its programs in ways that are consistent with our standards and beliefs."

Four years ago, when BSA voted to admit openly gay scouts into troops, LDS leaders noted that the church always admitted gay scouts and would continue to do so. However, when BSA voted to allow openly gay scout leaders in July 2015, the church publicly said for the first time that it was re-considering the Scouting program.

"The church has always welcomed all boys to its Scouting units regardless of sexual orientation," the statement said. "However, the admission of openly gay leaders is inconsistent with the doctrines of the church and what have traditionally been the values of the Boy Scouts of America."

That 2015 statement clearly stated that Scouting didn't meet the needs of most of the international church's young men.

A month later, church leaders decided to continue with Scouting for American and Canadian boys and young men after BSA affirmed "the right of all religious chartered organizations to select their Scout leaders in accordance with their religious beliefs."

Close partners

The LDS Church has been a major part of the BSA since it became the first chartered BSA organization in 1913.

"The church partnership with the BSA was a blessing to the relatively new Scouting organization," LDS-BSA relationships director Mark Francis said last month at the annual LDS-BSA Relationships Seminar in Salt Lake City. "In addition, the willingness of the BSA to accept the church as a chartered partner during a time when there was not a favorable view of the Mormons was also an act of goodwill. Collectively, we have the capacity to solve the toughest problems and find solutions to benefit everyone."

Since 1931, an LDS apostle has served on the BSA's National Executive Board. LDS Church President Thomas S. Monson, who holds Scouting's highest honor — the Silver Buffalo Award — has been a member of the BSA National Executive Board for 47 years. The BSA has honored his vast contributions to Scouting twice in the past year by naming buildings for him. In October, the Thomas S. Monson Lodge opened at the Hinckley Scout Ranch in Utah, and construction is underway on the BSA's Thomas S. Monson Leadership Excellence Complex at the Summit Bechtel Reserve in West Virginia.

Elder Jeffrey R. Holland of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles is currently on the BSA's national board along with Brother Stephen W. Owen, the general Young Men president, and Sister Joy D. Jones, the general Primary president.

The current national commissioner of the BSA is Charles Dahlquist, a former general Young Men president in the church and a former member of the General Church Scouting Committee.

"As much as I hate to see these young men move out of Scouting," Dahlquist said, "I have the belief that this will be a wonderful, unifying opportunity for Latter-day Saint youth, to be able to reach their potential in ways that we have not seen possible."

What's next?

The LDS Church makes an annual lump sum payment to BSA to help cover the participation of its boys and young men. The church will make the exact same payment to BSA in 2018 that it did this year so that BSA will not experience any immediate financial hit.

The First Presidency said young men who want to continue to work toward "the rank of Eagle Scout or Queen Scout should be encouraged and supported and should be properly registered as Scouts."

A Queen's Venturer Scout is the Canadian equivalent to BSA's Eagle rank.

The problem of creating a program for all of the church's boys and young men around the world remains. The church's Thursday statement alluded in multiple places to working toward programs that could replace Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts. For example, it said the church is sticking with the Cub Scout and Boy Scout programs because they "currently meet the development program needs of boys from ages 8 through 13." The statement noted that "previous statements have indicated that the church wants a program that serves all young men around the world." It also noted that "the church continues to look for ways to meet the spiritual, physical, emotional and intellectual needs of young men around the world."

While the church's Thursday statement said it hasn't completed "the global program" that will serve young men around the world, it does have activities prepared to replace the Varsity and Venturing programs. Those activities that can be seen at lds.org/youth/activities and ymactivities.lds.org. They have been in place since 2013 as a resource for youth and their leaders around the world.

"When followed, these activities can provide better opportunities for spiritual, physical, emotional and intellectual growth," the church's statement said.

Brother Owen, the general Young Men president, called leaders Monday at both the BSA and Scouts Canada, informing them of the church's decision.

The changes address the disparity of funding and activities between the church’s Young Men and Young Women programs.

"Church leaders have long been aware of this concern," the faith's statement said on Thursday morning. "This new program brings the spending into balance for youth ages 14 through 18. This will continue to be a factor in the ongoing exploration and creation of a worldwide youth program."
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Today, about 470,000 LDS boys and young men participate in Scouting programs in the United States and Canada. As of August 2015, that represented nearly 17 percent of Boy Scouts in America.

More than 280,000 LDS boys and young men are between the ages of 8-13 will remain associated with Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts.

[STOMP442]

Unfortunately, the scouting program is a far cry from what it used to be. Can't say that I am surprised by this and frankly the young men of the church will probably be better off for it.

[rossislider]

I'm hearing that they are already working on a program for the 8-13 year old groups. Won't be long before they completely withdraw from the BSA. The following article states:

 

The problem of creating a program for all of the church's boys and young men around the world remains. The church's Thursday statement alluded in multiple places to working toward programs that could replace Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts. For example, it said the church is sticking with the Cub Scout and Boy Scout programs because they "currently meet the development program needs of boys from ages 8 through 13." The statement noted that "previous statements have indicated that the church wants a program that serves all young men around the world." It also noted that "the church continues to look for ways to meet the spiritual, physical, emotional and intellectual needs of young men around the world."

 

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[AzDiamondHeat]

We knew this was coming, it was just a matter of when. Being an Eagle was always such an honor. Embarrassed for the BSA now.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if the Catholic Church follows suit as they have been somewhat vocal as well.

[DesertBull]

Liberals ruin everything

[joe hunter]

My daughter asked me about her 2 boys joining BSA last year and I begged her not to get involved with them !!! Back in the day ...yes sir... but in todays liberal, weak, meek, freak way of thinking they darn sure don't need the BSA . Not everyone thinks like these liberals. Their dad and their family will make sure the boys learn everything and more than they would in the BSA.

[5guyshunting]

My daughter asked me about her 2 boys joining BSA last year and I begged her not to get involved with them !!! Back in the day ...yes sir... but in todays liberal, weak, meek, freak way of thinking they darn sure don't need the BSA . Not everyone thinks like these liberals. Their dad and their family will make sure the boys learn everything and more than they would in the BSA.

Exactly. I was in the BSA as a child and it was great. I decided i could work it out on my own with my Boys.

[Zeke-BE]

Im glad for this! Im over the Varisty Scout 14-15 years olds. Five years ago I was over the 12-13 year old Boy Scouts. Man!!! Scouts has changed since I was a kid. I help severed this position and only stayed in it because it was still better then nothing, but my beliefs in the BSA and how it works especially in the LDS community well basically I just didn't believe in it any more. I have said this before in other post in the past but the main thing I focus on with Varsity Scouts is to Bring young men into Christ, teach them life skills, teach them how to respect and love the out doors, show service to their fellow man, how to be a real man, father, and husband. I stopped following the BSA guild lines years ago. There are better ways to help out the youth. This is a good step forward, sucks it came to this and all the red tape in Scouts these days

[PRDATR]

They should have never caved in. Cub Scout and Boy Scout here from Long Island NY Troop 356. 55+ years later I'm still in contact with my pack members.

[ready2hunt]

As it has been explained to me it's hard for the church to justify reducing budgets and allocating money while still paying a fortune in the fee's for certifiying and chartering etc.

 

For that money, plus the cost of basics like apparel there is nothing the boys get in return. Now with all the liberal changes it's time for the church to move on and create a more church oriented program.

 

I agree with everyone else- I am happy for the change. We pay all this money, it's not like BSA provides anything in return, the leaders provide all the time and equipment and the BSA Council reps are making 100k plus a year. It's a joke now.

[singleshot]

I feel very fortunate to have had a real man by the name of Gene Etter as my Boy Scout Leader. Once a month we would all load up in the back of his camper that sat on a Datsun truck and he would haul us off somewhere for the weekend. Twice a year we made trips into the black river on the san Carlos to fish for smallies. We would see him at dark when he came back from fishing by himself for the day. Sometimes there were fist fights, sometimes people got busted up in rock fights, and if you melted your shoes because you left them to close to the fire to dry out, well you got laughed at as you packed out barefoot. He taught us to be responsible. And he showed us all the magic of a hellgrammite.

By the time my son was old enough to be in scouts there had to be two adults present, they would camp right off the road somewhere and somebody would show up to do all the cooking. I didn't have any qualms about his not wanting to participate.

[AzDiamondHeat]

I feel very fortunate to have had a real man by the name of Gene Etter as my Boy Scout Leader. Once a month we would all load up in the back of his camper that sat on a Datsun truck and he would haul us off somewhere for the weekend. Twice a year we made trips into the black river on the san Carlos to fish for smallies. We would see him at dark when he came back from fishing by himself for the day. Sometimes there were fist fights, sometimes people got busted up in rock fights, and if you melted your shoes because you left them to close to the fire to dry out, well you got laughed at as you packed out barefoot. He taught us to be responsible. And he showed us all the magic of a hellgrammite.

By the time my son was old enough to be in scouts there had to be two adults present, they would camp right off the road somewhere and somebody would show up to do all the cooking. I didn't have any qualms about his not wanting to participate.

I miss the magical time that was childhood back then. Men taught boys how to be men by letting them be boys.

[My Rights As An American]

I miss the magical time that was childhood back then. Men taught boys how to be men by letting them be boys.

 

Wasn't that Michael Jackson's defense?

[Snapshot]

The creeping death syndrome....AKA...liberalism...is working it's way into everything. It has gotten into the Girl Scouts also.

[Explorer]

Just think of the future our military has with the softening of America's youth.