AZLance Report post Posted March 10, 2017 Good luck finding my cams... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZLance Report post Posted March 10, 2017 https://www.google.com/amp/www.outdoorhub.com/amp/index.php/atf-issues-warning-ieds-trail-cameras I can see this becoming more of a problem if cameras start getting seized. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Non-Typical Solutions Report post Posted March 10, 2017 https://www.google.com/amp/www.outdoorhub.com/amp/index.php/atf-issues-warning-ieds-trail-cameras I can see this becoming more of a problem if cameras start getting seized. A quote from one of the comments on that article.... "If it's not your, keep your booger hooks off it." Never heard them called booger hooks!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted March 10, 2017 The CIA can tap into your trail cam 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Sparky Report post Posted March 10, 2017 According to the US Forest Service I can place trail cameras out, depending on the forest. Wilderness they are not allowed, some forest have regulations against them, 99% of the forest or other federal lands have no regulations except that they can't be screwed to trees. Now prove abandonment. First look up the definition( to leave completely and finally; forsake utterly; desert: Law. to cast away, leave, or desert, as property or a child.) Nothing states I have to check a camera any certain amount of time like trapping does. I am an owner of US Public lands which I can use for my purpose, some of which is regulated and some is not. Camping for X amount of days is regulated and limited. Firewood taking is regulated and limited. Trail cameras are unregulated. So now if a government employee takes my property that is being used "legally" then that is an illegal seizure. They go through the pictures to see what is on them then that is an illegal search. How else they going to prove intent? Now you say somebody is picking up "litter". Once again let's look at the definition of litter ( objects strewn or scattered about; scattered rubbish : a condition of disorder or untidiness:) Trail cameras don't fall under the definition of litter either. Somebody takes my trail camera, that is being a thief. Go ahead and try to keep justifying stealing something. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
300RUM Report post Posted March 10, 2017 Good luck finding my cams... I'm not looking for any cameras. I am simply pointing out that when you place a camera on public property there is no way it is protected by the 4th amendment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted March 10, 2017 why are they regulating them to begin with? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Sparky Report post Posted March 10, 2017 Good luck finding my cams... I'm not looking for any cameras. I am simply pointing out that when you place a camera on public property there is no way it is protected by the 4th amendment. It is protected under the 4th amendment because it is "legally" being used under federal regulations. The state can't limit my federal rights but they can give me more protections than the federal government does. Yes I pay taxes so have a "right" to use public lands. Read my previous post. The other thing I thought of is I would like to see the joint powers agreement between the G&F and Feds. The reason I bring this up is a case in Farmington, NM where a vehicular burglary happened at the post office. Farmington PD showed up and investigated and arrested a suspect. They could not produce the joint powers where Farmington PD had jurisdiction on federal property. Yes the post office is Federal Property. Case dismissed and lawsuit won for false arrest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost85 Report post Posted March 10, 2017 why are they regulating them to begin with? Because in certain units ( 9 and 13 mostly), on man made water sources there are 20+ cameras on every water hole. People constantly hiking in/out to check their cameras disrupt other people trying to hunt and push animals off the water source. Those water sources are made and maintained to benefit wildlife but when there is a steady string of people walking to and from them every day, it defeats their purpose Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted March 10, 2017 why are they regulating them to begin with?Because in certain units ( 9 and 13 mostly), on man made water sources there are 20+ cameras on every water hole. People constantly hiking in/out to check their cameras disrupt other people trying to hunt and push animals off the water source. Those water sources are made and maintained to benefit wildlife but when there is a steady string of people walking to and from them every day, it defeats their purpose that seems like a stretch to me. People come and check waters for tracks during the season too all the time when people are hunting. Probably 100x more than people checking cams. and pushing animals off water? I don't buy that either. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertBull Report post Posted March 10, 2017 Its driven by a few elitist that get a grain of sand in their manginas because everyone doesnt do it their way. Other subjects of irritation for them include - ATV/UTV BLINDS AND TREE STANDS SHOOTING PAST 400 YARDS GUIDES RADIOS FLAT BRIMMED HATS BAITING SHOOTING A BOW PAST 50 YARDS NOT SMILING IN PHOTOS 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AzDiamondHeat Report post Posted March 10, 2017 Flat brimmed hats have ruined hunting. It will never be the same.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
COA Report post Posted March 10, 2017 I propose the auction tags be every other year. Im certain the revenue would be made up if the big dollar hunters had two sit a year out and they would let the blue collars have a draw for that tag instead of the super raffle. That would put a smile on some average joes faces 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dsotm Report post Posted March 10, 2017 Flat brimmed hats have ruined hunting. It will never be the same.... Maybe we can get AZGFD to ban them? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
