Game and Fish Comment Periods

[muledeerarea33?]

 

WHATS MORE, I got deer in my back yard I'm planning on hunting in a year or two, and no one else is invited! These Damg deer are eating the corn and apple I put out for my dogs.

Deer will tear up some Ol' Roy dog food. Its 70% corn.

they only get ol Roy cookies. I can't say cookies out loud because they go nuts!!!! The acre of alfalfa out back really upsets them.

[bonecollector777]

So basically kill one big buck road hunting on a typical road hunting road and now you know it all.... Crazy I guess I know it all too since I have 200" buck as well ..... Yup real hunters only travels 100s of miles for trophy's if not your not a hunter lol

Yes because that's exactly what I said. I know it all because I agree with not shooting animals within a quarter mile of a house. Remember back in the day when we used to be able to trap with footholds? Anyone know why that ended? Because some idiot decided to trap right next to houses and caught someone's pet. It took 1 instance to get trapping banned. We have all seen the uproar when animals die in peoples back yards or when non hunters see dead animals like that. We don't have a problem with it but there are a lot of people that do. Believe me if I knew there would be no issues arising from people shooting animals in backyards I wouldn't agree with a law like this. The way I see it is if the few guys that enjoy hunting in neighborhoods or behind houses refuse to give up 1/4 mile to avoid conflicts with non hunters then they don't care about hunting being banned for good in the future. I honestly find it hard to believe you can't find a place to hunt that's not within 1/4 mile of a house. Yes I agree it might be more convenient but it would also be more convenient to hunt in Grand canyon national park. But we all know we can't do that. Why do you think that is? To avoid conflict and for safety. If holding onto your 1/4 mile rather than going 1/2 a mile is worth ruining it for everyone then have at it. Sometimes you have to give up a little for the greater good of hunting. 1/4 mile is such a small amount to make a big fuss over it blows my mind. But apparently there are more guys than I thought that enjoy hunting near town. Maybe all the deer are so skittish near town because so many guys are hunting them. And maybe that's why they are making this law?

[CatfishKev]

No need for insulting one another here. We're all on the same team after all.

 

But I would argue there's a difference between trapping within a quarter mile knowing there's potential to trap someone's dog, and hunting. It's not like anyone here's gonna shoot someone's dog. Even though it was probably supposed to be on a leash or whatever.

 

I guess at least as long as your on your own property you should be able to do as you wish?

[bojangles]

 

So basically kill one big buck road hunting on a typical road hunting road and now you know it all.... Crazy I guess I know it all too since I have 200" buck as well ..... Yup real hunters only travels 100s of miles for trophy's if not your not a hunter lol

Yes because that's exactly what I said. I know it all because I agree with not shooting animals within a quarter mile of a house. Remember back in the day when we used to be able to trap with footholds? Anyone know why that ended? Because some idiot decided to trap right next to houses and caught someone's pet. It took 1 instance to get trapping banned. We have all seen the uproar when animals die in peoples back yards or when non hunters see dead animals like that. We don't have a problem with it but there are a lot of people that do. Believe me if I knew there would be no issues arising from people shooting animals in backyards I wouldn't agree with a law like this. The way I see it is if the few guys that enjoy hunting in neighborhoods or behind houses refuse to give up 1/4 mile to avoid conflicts with non hunters then they don't care about hunting being banned for good in the future. I honestly find it hard to believe you can't find a place to hunt that's not within 1/4 mile of a house. Yes I agree it might be more convenient but it would also be more convenient to hunt in Grand canyon national park. But we all know we can't do that. Why do you think that is? To avoid conflict and for safety. If holding onto your 1/4 mile rather than going 1/2 a mile is worth ruining it for everyone then have at it. Sometimes you have to give up a little for the greater good of hunting. 1/4 mile is such a small amount to make a big fuss over it blows my mind. But apparently there are more guys than I thought that enjoy hunting near town. Maybe all the deer are so skittish near town because so many guys are hunting them. And maybe that's why they are making this law?

 

 

 

maybe we lost trapping because we didn't stick together and fight for it. we let it go, because we didn't trap. we gave it up for the greater good. just like we will give up lion hunting, trail cameras, hounds, and urban bowhunting.

 

btw, the last urban buck i shot, as i was packing it out, a homeowner stepped over the fence to shake my hand on taking a nice buck. his neighbor lets people hunt in his yard, and i know him personally, he just wasn't home that day. generally, people don't object to urban hunting.

 

while i respect you, your methods of hunting, and your opinions, i really feel like we need to stick together on these issues. HSUS is knocking out privileges by the minute, don't think they'll stop at a quarter mile.

[Flatlander]

BC777 is dead on with this argument. The first time the anti's get ahold of a cell phone video someone posts from their front porch in chaparral pines or the portals of a deer with a freaking arrow in it blowing bloody bubbles out its nose and bellering for its mom, it's all over. That thing will get slapped on social media, in tv ads and the anti's will have all they need for a ballot measure to end bowhunting.

 

Talk as tough as we may, the fact is we live in a democracy where science does not always prevail. We have to protect the image of hunters as conservationists and 90% of the voting populous isn't going to read a research study on how beneficial it is to harvest deer or how effective archery is for certain situations.

 

Game and Fish has a vested interest in preserving the sport. The day hunting is gone so are 90% of their jobs. And as hunters, we do a TERRIBLE job of self policing these things. If it's legal, someone's going to do it, that's just the way it is.

 

We don't have to like it, but it's true.

[reezenhunter]

There already is a Video of a yard buck with an arrow in him..... As far as I know I was able to hunt this year and next and so on

[reezenhunter]

https://youtu.be/Rg0HE_P3_4I

[Flatlander]

That is not what I described at all and you know it. And if you think that your behavior in the woods is not subject to the scrutiny of others then you are a fool.

 

The wildlife in our forests belong to the eco-nazis who moved here from California last year just as much as they do to you and I. Everybody's vote counts the same.

 

And when weighed in the court of public opinion, who is going to win, the guy with a Facebook page full of pictures with blood on his face and beer in his hands or the lady showing a video of a spike deer bleeding out on her lawn?

 

That's not a fight I want to take on. I mean, really, how hard is it to just stay away from houses? I can count on one hand the number of times I have had to worry about this when hunting. It's just common sense.

[bojangles]

BC777 is dead on with this argument. The first time the anti's get ahold of a cell phone video someone posts from their front porch in chaparral pines or the portals of a deer with a freaking arrow in it blowing bloody bubbles out its nose and bellering for its mom, it's all over. That thing will get slapped on social media, in tv ads and the anti's will have all they need for a ballot measure to end bowhunting.

 

Talk as tough as we may, the fact is we live in a democracy where science does not always prevail. We have to protect the image of hunters as conservationists and 90% of the voting populous isn't going to read a research study on how beneficial it is to harvest deer or how effective archery is for certain situations.

 

Game and Fish has a vested interest in preserving the sport. The day hunting is gone so are 90% of their jobs. And as hunters, we do a TERRIBLE job of self policing these things. If it's legal, someone's going to do it, that's just the way it is.

 

We don't have to like it, but it's true.

Its not true.

 

I know people in the portals that hunt in the portals, people in chapparal pines poach their own elk. They are building a fence around chapparal pines right now to keep the elk out because they are such a problem. Last week there was a fresh dead elk between star valley and payson, like there is every week. A while back i came upon a dead guy on 260 that hit an elk on his harley by chap pines. I dont think people will object to urban hunting like you think they will.

 

Like i mentioned before, the whole eastern half of the US accepts this as a way of life, and its actually accepted here now. You are afraid of paper dragons.

 

You will surrender without a fight. Might as well move to france. Bet they dont hunt too much over there.

 

Not only is urban hunting convenient, its necessary.

 

I dont understand you, urban hunting is common nearly everywhere, but you guys want to set a precedent by making it illegal. Fascinating. And from people who call themselves hunters, no less.

[Flatlander]

Your points about wildlife inhabiting urban areas are not misunderstood here. However, they are not the premise of the argument. No one is challenging that A ) Wildlife exists in urban areas B ) In those areas conflicts between wildlife and humans occur In those areas.

 

The premise of the argument is that hunters using these areas often create conflict with landowners and that conflict threatens hunting as a whole.

 

Your point that people who live in the portals hunt the portals is a perfect example of a hunting populis that refuses to self regulate. The portals are clearly posted No Hunting and its in the cc&r's that hunting cannot occur there. So if an outsider is to drive in there and hunt then they could be reported and cited for trespassing. However, the home owner who thinks that he is above that rule hunts within the community, he essentially is taking the entire community as his own personal hunting preserve because all others are excluded from hunting there. In so doing he gives all hunters a bad name and we as a collective group endure the damaged image he causes. It's his fault that this rule is on the table to begin with.

 

How selfish can someone be that they cannot even respect the collective wishes of their own neighbors by not hunting in the neighborhood? Therein lies the problem.

[bojangles]

Your points about wildlife inhabiting urban areas are not misunderstood here. However, they are not the premise of the argument. No one is challenging that A ) Wildlife exists in urban areas B ) In those areas conflicts between wildlife and humans occur In those areas.

 

The premise of the argument is that hunters using these areas often create conflict with landowners and that conflict threatens hunting as a whole.

 

Your point that people who live in the portals hunt the portals is a perfect example of a hunting populis that refuses to self regulate. The portals are clearly posted No Hunting and its in the cc&r's that hunting cannot occur there. So if an outsider is to drive in there and hunt then they could be reported and cited for trespassing. However, the home owner who thinks that he is above that rule hunts within the community, he essentially is taking the entire community as his own personal hunting preserve because all others are excluded from hunting there. In so doing he gives all hunters a bad name and we as a collective group endure the damaged image he causes. It's his fault that this rule is on the table to begin with.

 

How selfish can someone be that they cannot even respect the collective wishes of their own neighbors by not hunting in the neighborhood? Therein lies the problem.

 

 

this is the exact same line of reasoning the anti-gun crowd uses.

 

you are right in the fact that dudes who hunt in the portals are in violating their HOA's rules. To be fair to said dude, i don't think he hunts their anymore since they've cracked down. To be fair to you're argument, one of the biggest complaints about living in the portals is road hunters, who need to be prosecuted anyways.

 

However, if someone mis-uses a handgun, should i expect my right to carry to be infringed upon? they'll try, but i'll fight.

 

There will always be that "one guy" that does it all wrong that gives us all a bad name. But making a 1/4 mile rule won't stop poaching near houses. I have a friend who lives in pine, chase out at the point of his 45 a couple of dudes who were running down a doe in his yard with their pickup truck, with a guy in the bed pointing his bow at the deer. Look, the 1/4 rule won't stop those guys and you know it, but it will stop law abiding citizens like a lot of my friends, from putting food on the table. A lot of these guys are cow elk hunters, not looking for glory, but for dinner. I understand if this is not challenging enough for you, but let's not say that we don't support these guys. Some of them are older, some of them are youth, some of them would like a wilderness hunt, but just don't have time.

 

Is there a problem? maybe, but i think it's much smaller than you're making it out to be. Most of the people in these forested communites hunt or have a close friend or relative who does. I don't think people have a problem with it.

 

As for the poachers in chap pines, that's a whole other thing. I don't think those guys were even close to hunting, they're just tired of elk in there in general.

 

Giving up rights/privileges is never a good solution to a problem.

 

Cracking down on the violators usually does the trick.

[Non-Typical Solutions]

So does anybody have an answer to the original question???

[ThomC]

So does anybody have an answer to the original question???

That is the problem. Nobody goes to the commission meetings and speak up. The Sierra club is always there speaking up are you? Once a year they have meetings out of carefree in different regions, Friday they were in Tucson. I have seen the libs pack the house. Also the commissioners have email addresses see AZGFD.com. Speak now or forever hold your peace.

[bonecollector]

Anybody know where I can find the meeting minutes from the meeting on Fri?

[Non-Typical Solutions]

Many years ago my dad took me hunting to a very southern part of New Mexico to what at the time was the Slover Ranch.

This is a very remote part of nowhere!!!

 

We were friends with the rancher and they let us bunk at their ranch shack, brewed us hot chocolate early morning before we headed out and then the wife asked us kindly to please don't shoot the deer that we would certainly bump into before we got away from the ranch house.

 

We said absolutely and went about our hunt.....bumping into the deer she mentioned and then never seeing another deer the whole rest of the day!!!

 

Respect is something that is very rare it seems with all of the above mentioned hunting techniques and methods. If respect was a part of a person's every day life the answers are almost always pretty clear cut and not that hard to get!

 

Do I want more laws??? Not really.......

 

Is there something to be said for having respect for other people and their beliefs.......every day.

 

Does having respect mean that we can't fight for what we think is right.........not necessarily.

 

I have elk and deer beating and eating the crap out of my trees on my property and I want them gone.....but inside city limits, with a building on the acreage........I have not been able to have a tag in my hand and any law that would allow me to take either of those species during a hunt