Pac8541 Report post Posted November 1, 2016 Giving the Cutthroat 150s a try this year, my hunt starts in 11 days. Got 'em razor sharp after stropping this evening. Cut my finger and didn't even notice until it wouldn't stop bleeding. Fly like darts too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metau Report post Posted November 1, 2016 dang good looking broadheads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaymzth007 Report post Posted November 1, 2016 Seen those on the Gritty Bowman podcasts. Those seem to be working great for Aron Snyder! He's been killing all sorts of critters with them this year! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4Falls Report post Posted November 1, 2016 Wicked broadheads. I just touched the screen and cut my finger. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pac8541 Report post Posted November 3, 2016 Seen those on the Gritty Bowman podcasts. Those seem to be working great for Aron Snyder! He's been killing all sorts of critters with them this year! First time trying a single bevel and ran into these in particular after reading all the Ashby reports. That led to multiple searches on various forums which turned up the "Cutthroat" name repeatedly. I wound up in a long conversation with Tommy at RMS Gear and that, combined with a sort-of confirmation from Ray at VPA, turned up the fact that these are produced for RMS by VPA. I've been using VPA heads for a while now and love their 2-blades. Seemed like a no-brainer to go this route if I wanted to see if the single bevel thing lived up to the hype. I say all this because although I do think Aron Snyder is quite the stud hunter, I'm not some kind of fanboy where everything guys like he and Cameron Hanes needs to be absolutely replicated in my load out. They definitely know what time it is and offer a lot to learn but here's my deal: I pack and live out of Kifaru stuff, wear Kuiu, supplement with Wilderness Athlete, and walk in Scarpa. Wow... did that sound defensive. I may have a problem. Sorry jaymzth007. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pac8541 Report post Posted November 3, 2016 Honestly though, these things fly great out of my non-speedy Energy 35. They sharpen up fairly easily too, even with a rather old and imprecise Lansky sharpener. Total arrow weight is coming in at about 485 with very good FOC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yotebuster Report post Posted November 3, 2016 They sure look cool. Can someone enlighten me on he single bevel vs double theory? Seems like it would be stronger but not as sharp but that's just my little mental picture of something with two bevels vs one cutting something!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pac8541 Report post Posted November 4, 2016 You're still getting the sharp edge on both sides of the broadhead. The bevel or ground part of each edge is only on one side of the blade so each edge winds up looking like a wedge instead of a pyramid. The benefit according to the Ashby reports is the spin or twisting motion that kind of grind imparts to the arrow. It acts like fletching, to a degree, both in flight and after impact with tissue and bone. Penetration and wound channel are both increased. On the other hand, Ray at VPA stated that they don't believe in them. He added that the bevel on only one side of the blade creates an imbalance of forces within the steel making it weaker overall relative to a double bevel head like theirs. He said its all hype and in no way can a single bevel head outperform their 2-blade penetrators. I have no reason to doubt the guy but wanted to see for myself, not that I'm going to destructively test them against each other. Ray said we'd never see a single bevel head with the VPA name on it but apparently we can with the RMS name. Both 150gr VPA head and this cutthroat fly great outta my bow. I just wanted to give this a try. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbo Report post Posted December 1, 2016 Yotebuster, Some say: The edge on a single bevel will be structurally weaker, so that is why single bevels need to be of high quality steel and beefier in grain weight. Therefore, they cost more. Magnus Broadhead guys stated that after their testing, they feel there is no definable difference. As I like to "internalize" the dynamic spine of arrows with 125 grain points, 90% of the time, heavier single bevel will not work for me. I must admit, I am still researching. Can't fault anyone for getting a better connection in archery. Researching this online can kill an evening quicker then "4 4" fletch vs 3 5" fletch" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaymzth007 Report post Posted December 1, 2016 Seen those on the Gritty Bowman podcasts. Those seem to be working great for Aron Snyder! He's been killing all sorts of critters with them this year! First time trying a single bevel and ran into these in particular after reading all the Ashby reports. That led to multiple searches on various forums which turned up the "Cutthroat" name repeatedly. I wound up in a long conversation with Tommy at RMS Gear and that, combined with a sort-of confirmation from Ray at VPA, turned up the fact that these are produced for RMS by VPA. I've been using VPA heads for a while now and love their 2-blades. Seemed like a no-brainer to go this route if I wanted to see if the single bevel thing lived up to the hype. I say all this because although I do think Aron Snyder is quite the stud hunter, I'm not some kind of fanboy where everything guys like he and Cameron Hanes needs to be absolutely replicated in my load out. They definitely know what time it is and offer a lot to learn but here's my deal: I pack and live out of Kifaru stuff, wear Kuiu, supplement with Wilderness Athlete, and walk in Scarpa. Wow... did that sound defensive. I may have a problem. Sorry jaymzth007. Lol no worries Pac! I didn't mean to ensue that you were a fanboy of any sorts, Aron was just the only well known guy I knew of that was getting a lot of success from these heads. The way I see it, you can't go wrong with a broadhead with an unconditional lifetime guarantee even if you shoot it into a rock! I'm going to try these out of my recurve in January. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pac8541 Report post Posted December 2, 2016 I'll add to the above with this: after spending 13 days living solo out of a tent in 22N and having nothing physically tangible to show for my efforts, I am convinced more than ever that these are among the most accurate and consistent broadheads I've ever shot. I spent many afternoons during the first week, a time when I was basically car camping, shooting my Rhinehart out to 60yds. That's the max my pins allow the way I have them set and really, my max given the slow speeds I'm shooting (relatively speaking). They just fly fantastically for me and I'm very pleased with them. I'm sure there are many, many broadheads out there that equal the performance but these hit all the boxes for me, everything that I find important. Can't recommend them highly enough. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Beavers Report post Posted December 2, 2016 I just saw a video from the BB sticker guys on a single bevel broad-head vs a Kudu... The arrow broke but the broad head went through the animal.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites