dse Report post Posted October 8, 2016 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer doesn't sound very low muzzle blast Lance lol! I considered the 22 dasher, 220 Swift Ackley, and the 22-6mm Ackley when I built the 22-250 Ackley. The 22-250Ai is a touch over 12 lbs and shooting low .2's with an 80 gr Berger Vld @ 3420 fps. Yes it's pretty recoil friendly but it's still pretty tough to watch the bullet strike in the scope. My fire forming load is a 53gr V-Max @3500 fps (22 PPC velocity). This load is crazy fun! Smacked a Coyote at 350 yds a couple weeks ago, and man I love the sound the V-Max makes when thumping song dogs. My first varmint rifle was a Savage 340B in 222 rem. Bought it at a yard sale in pieces for 100 bucks. The original stock was missing, but had a blank wood stock that someone had begun to inlet. It was missing a spring for the ejector & had no magazine. Stopped by my gunsmith friends house on the way home and he made the spring for the ejector and ordered a five Rd magazine. I went home and took my dremel and some sandpaper and finished the inlet. Finished I had under $200 into it with a cheap tasco 6-24x50 scope. Loaded up some 50 gr Moly V-Max and away I went. To this day the best 100 yd 3 shot group I have ever fired came from this setup, measured around .02". Now it's sitting at around 15000 Rds that I've put through it, god only knows how many before I had it. The extractor won't pull the cases any more, the safety doesn't click anymore when pushed to fire, and everything on it is loose. It still shoots better than my rem 700 223 that has less than 200 Rds through it. The 222 rem set most of the bench rest records in the 50's & 60's. A few still stand I believe but most have since been beat by the PPC & BR lines. An added bonus to the 222 is a pound of powder will load around 350 cases. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goatsie Report post Posted October 8, 2016 Don't discount the .22 Dasher pushing a 90 VLD @ 3300, great LR varmint round. And crazy accurate. or.... The .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer pushing a 50gr. @ 4600. Only uses 105gr.of H570. Think I am kidding? Look it up. Defiance Surgeon Stiller Accuracy International Kelbly's Big Horn 22BR Improved! 5239fps....... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiXuZjKk8zPAhUF5yYKHRp8CHsQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbulletin.accurateshooter.com%2F2015%2F08%2F5000-fps-with-22br-improved-and-30gr-berger-bullets%2F&usg=AFQjCNFtvjuQ3XPZl8Z2ZW_m7baOz0c7Xg&sig2=JLL5NqXcTQODA8HHS0rRtQ&bvm=bv.135258522,d.cWw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WampusCat Report post Posted October 8, 2016 I really like the looks of the new bighorn action and its mechanical ejector. Would be great for not slinging brass all over on a P-Dog town. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STOMP442 Report post Posted October 8, 2016 6mmBR is where I would start and stop cartridge wise. 29-30gr of powder will push 105 class bullets to 2800fps plus and barrel life that rivals the 308. Easy recoil and excellent ballistics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke-BE Report post Posted October 8, 2016 If choose something in the 6mm class. Light enough for prairie dogs and heavy enough for deer.as far as aftermarket actions go I'm not sure? I've thought of going that route for the sexiness of it but it's really not needed since a factory action can perform or out perform the nice aftermarket ones. I'm sure any aftermarket action you choose with a built in rail will be good. Don't really need it to be deer rifle already have 22-250 Ai,243wssm,25-06,257wby,6.5x55 Swed,6.5-300wby,a couple 270wsm's,30-06Ai,and a 300rum for backup deer rifles. When I go for some prairie dog action 600 rnd days aren't uncommon so looking for another rifle that's easy on powder, barrel, ears,shoulder, and just plain fun to shoot. Some times I go by myself so being able to call my own shots would be a plus. obbessssed Much???? I like it!!!!! Please keep us up to date with this build. Sounds awesome Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dse Report post Posted October 9, 2016 If choose something in the 6mm class. Light enough for prairie dogs and heavy enough for deer.as far as aftermarket actions go I'm not sure? I've thought of going that route for the sexiness of it but it's really not needed since a factory action can perform or out perform the nice aftermarket ones. I'm sure any aftermarket action you choose with a built in rail will be good. Don't really need it to be deer rifle already have 22-250 Ai,243wssm,25-06,257wby,6.5x55 Swed,6.5-300wby,a couple 270wsm's,30-06Ai,and a 300rum for backup deer rifles. When I go for some prairie dog action 600 rnd days aren't uncommon so looking for another rifle that's easy on powder, barrel, ears,shoulder, and just plain fun to shoot. Some times I go by myself so being able to call my own shots would be a plus. obbessssed Much???? I like it!!!!! Please keep us up to date with this build. Sounds awesome Well it's worse than that! I left out the varmint rifles, lever guns, shotguns, big bores, rimfires, muzzleloaders, handguns, and pneumatics. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
L Cazador Report post Posted October 9, 2016 I shoot my 6BR with 95g bullets and my 22BR w/80g bullets for 600-700 yds P-D shooting. I've been doing these two calibers with great success for about 40 years on PD's. The problem with lighter bullets in the 224 diameter is that it is very difficult to spot your own shots. Not because of recoil but because of the very small dust signature from the lighter bullets. And if the wind gets to blowing ( when isn't it blowing) it blows the dust signature right off. I've tried different calibers and yes I still shoot the 222 and the 221 Fireball but for closer distances like 350 and under. Once you get out to 600 yards you lose a lot of velocity with the lighter low coefficient bullets. My recommendation is go with a Stiller action, a laminate stock for extra weight, and a heavy varmint contour barrel with 8 twist, and a Nightforce benchrest scope(1/8 minute clicks). This will give you about an 18 pound rifle with easy to spot shots and low recoil. I still have trouble spotting shots with my 222 varmint weight barrel when I go to shooting the 55g bullets(12 twist is essential for this weight). Another thing you will find is that the image dissolves quickly at 700 yds in the cheaper scopes like Vortex, Burris, Sightron, and Nikon. A Leupold in 6.5/20X50 would be my absolute bottom line recommendation. When you get your barrel chambered be sure to specify extra freebore for the long bullets. I use a .120-.140 freebore so my bullets in these two calibers are seated well ahead of the shoulder neck junction. And yes I neck turn my brass for best results. By the way I shoot 221, 222, 20 Vartarg, and 223 out to 400 yds. Then for my in between rifles 400-700yds I shoot 22BR and 6BR.. For long range 700-1500 yards I shoot 6/284 and 6.5/284 these rifles have Vais muzzle brakes. One note is that on wet days nothing but the great big rifles leave a shot signature in the mud! I use a fully adjustable front rest with a heavy rear bag and I shoot off a 360 rotating bench. On a windy day you're not going to make those long shots off a bipod or by using Kentucky windage!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azsugarbear Report post Posted October 9, 2016 It's hard to go wrong with the triple deuce. For years it was the standard at competitions. One of the very few rifles I ever regret selling was a Sako Vixen in 222 caliber. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxisWorks LLC Report post Posted October 9, 2016 I've been building allot of 6mm Dashers on on the Bighorn actions lately and have really fell in love with them for the smaller cartridges. Bighorn would be my first choice for your application followed by a Defiance. I'm not a fan of the Surgeon extractors and I'm not 100% sold on the BAT adjustable firing pin protrusion feature untill I have more time to spend with them. Eric-- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dse Report post Posted October 10, 2016 I've been building allot of 6mm Dashers on on the Bighorn actions lately and have really fell in love with them for the smaller cartridges. Bighorn would be my first choice for your application followed by a Defiance. I'm not a fan of the Surgeon extractors and I'm not 100% sold on the BAT adjustable firing pin protrusion feature untill I have more time to spend with them. Eric-- What is it about the Bighorn, that you like over the Defiance? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxisWorks LLC Report post Posted October 10, 2016 I've been building allot of 6mm Dashers on on the Bighorn actions lately and have really fell in love with them for the smaller cartridges. Bighorn would be my first choice for your application followed by a Defiance. I'm not a fan of the Surgeon extractors and I'm not 100% sold on the BAT adjustable firing pin protrusion feature untill I have more time to spend with them. Eric-- What is it about the Bighorn, that you like over the Defiance? Floating bolt head - helps square up the bolt/action interface for more consistant shooting Interal recoil lug - allows the bighorn action to be put straight into a std rem stock with no milling/bedding alterations. the actions are both same length, but the recoil lug on defiance is 1/4" further forward, requireing not only stock to be milled out, but also area behind lug to be bedded. sliding plate extractor. bolt release -adjustable bolt stop that I like the feel of it better and I believe it was more beefy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AxisWorks LLC Report post Posted October 10, 2016 Don't get me wrong there is absolutely nothing wrong with a Defiance Deviant action. My decision usually comes down to which one I can get my hands on first between the two. Im still a Defiance fan as well. Here are some pics of my personal 6.5x47 PRS rifle on a Defiance Deviant. Hopefully today I'll find some time to Cerkote the barreled action Crismon Red and finnish it up. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kingzero Report post Posted October 10, 2016 I love my Defiance action and don't think you would be disappointed with one if you went that route. However, if the Bighorn T3 would have been available at that time I would have gone with it instead. The T3 gives you more features and options for about the same price as a Deviant. This video explains it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSM3CYOcGgI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10Turkeys Report post Posted October 10, 2016 The Benchrest Nationals are going on right now at Ben Avery, you might want to find out what the current rage in actions are over there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PRDATR Report post Posted October 10, 2016 I came across this, although it a bit dated. http://precisionrifleblog.com/2013/12/30/best-rifle-action/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites