Redington bighorn sheep?

[Guest 300ultramag.]

I was near redington and came across a monster ram! Im curious to see if anybody else has seen him.I am no bighorn sheep specialist but this guy was HUGE.I wonder if he had something wrong w/ him because he was very low and it was in the middle of the day.Can they get mental illness? because this guy had to be lost.

[billrquimby]

I was near redington and came across a monster ram! Im curious to see if anybody else has seen him.I am no bighorn sheep specialist but this guy was HUGE.I wonder if he had something wrong w/ him because he was very low and it was in the middle of the day.Can they get mental illness? because this guy had to be lost.

 

300ultramag:

 

The Tucson AGFD office would be interested in hearing your report. Sheep apparently move between the Galliuros and the Catalinas occasionally, but few people bother to report sightings. Years ago, soon after they released the first sheep in Redfield Canyon, I drove up on five or six ewes in the pines on the old control road below the Mt. Lemmon fire station. Not long after that, a collared ram released in Redfield was seen with ewes in Pima Canyon. It was so long ago that Commissioner Bob Hernbrode Jr. was the regional game specialist in Tucson, and he told me there also were undocumented reports of sheep on one of the peaks in the Rincons. It would be nice to think that sheep are returning to the Catalinas, and that your ram was not among the last heading for the Gallliuros.

 

Bill Quimby

[monstercoues]

I just got off the phone with my best friend, who is one of the WM's for unit 33. He said he would really appreciate you calling him and getting the information on that sheep. He is actually working on a proposal to bring them back into the Catalinas. Please call him. 520-577-7055. His name is Martin.

 

 

 

 

 

I was near redington and came across a monster ram! Im curious to see if anybody else has seen him.I am no bighorn sheep specialist but this guy was HUGE.I wonder if he had something wrong w/ him because he was very low and it was in the middle of the day.Can they get mental illness? because this guy had to be lost.

[Becker]

MonsterCoues, Your friends with martin??? I do taxidermy work for that guy!!! Has he been leaking any secrets as to where the big bucks are in that unit to you? If so PM me, so I can give him a hard time....HAHAHAHA

[monstercoues]

Haha Becker, I wish he would tell me any secret spots. I have seen your taxidermy work. You do a great job. I will try to talk him into sharing some info with you, but your hunt starts before his does. HAHAHA

 

 

MonsterCoues, Your friends with martin??? I do taxidermy work for that guy!!! Has he been leaking any secrets as to where the big bucks are in that unit to you? If so PM me, so I can give him a hard time....HAHAHAHA

[Tines]

The department has never listened to McGehee when he's proposed good things for the unit, I can't see the catalinas plum with sheep all over the place in the near future.

 

Sorry if I sound negative but when a WM asks for a decrease in tags because numbers are low and the department turns around and only increases them, that's a problem.

 

With that being said, I'd LOVE to see sheep back in the Catalinas!

[monstercoues]

Yeah it's tough for these guys in the field. They do all the work and then have the office guys tell him what happens in the books. I do know that if numbers were truly low, then permits would be decreased. There are hunt guidelines where if certain buck/doe -- fawn/doe ratios are met than that is where the permit numbers are derived from.

 

I don't see sheep anytime soon either, but it would be awesome to see them up there again. They have to have all the paper work in and then wait for there to be some extra sheep to transplant when ready. It is a possibility, but probably not anytime really soon.

 

Does anyone know who 300untramag is? It's been a week now and he hasn't called my buddy yet or replied to the posts. That ram is probably back in 32 by now.

[billrquimby]

Yeah it's tough for these guys in the field. They do all the work and then have the office guys tell him what happens in the books.

 

It's like in the real world. The guys in entry level positions always think they know more than their bosses. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't They forget that the guys in the offices usually have been there and done that.

 

Bill Quimby

[monstercoues]

Well that may be true in most instances, but in these cases I would say the wildlife managers know more about there units than the guys in the office who never step foot in them. It's sad that the wildlife managers do all the field work and paperwork only to have the higher ups set the permit numbers for them.

 

I wouldn't say that wildlife managers aka field guys are in entry level positions, I know some that have been WM's for over 20 years. My opinion is the guys in the field should make the decisions, since they are the ones doing the surveys and know there units and whats going on in them. Just my two cents.

 

 

 

Yeah it's tough for these guys in the field. They do all the work and then have the office guys tell him what happens in the books.

 

It's like in the real world. The guys in entry level positions always think they know more than their bosses. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't They forget that the guys in the offices usually have been there and done that.

 

Bill Quimby

[monstercoues]

Hey 300Ultramag,

 

My buddy said you finally called him, but he was out in the field working. He said you left him a message, but no phone number for him to call u back on. Thanks for calling him, please call him back and leave him a number to call u back on.

 

Thanks

[billrquimby]

"I wouldn't say that wildlife managers aka field guys are in entry level positions, I know some that have been WM's for over 20 years. My opinion is the guys in the field should make the decisions, since they are the ones doing the surveys and know there units and whats going on in them. Just my two cents."

 

 

You're assuming WMs are equally knowledgeable about their units. They are not. Some are so biased they won't accept new ideas and believe they own their units and the wildlife in them. That's why the guys in the offices set guidelines for how surveys are to be taken and how data are to be used. I stand by my original position: Most guys in entry level positions do not know more than their bosses. The longer they are in the same post the more they forget nearly every supervisor started as a WM.

 

Bill Quimby

[monstercoues]

I am not by any means assuming WMs are equally knowledgeable about their units and with all the turn over in the agency lately, my buddy said there were something like 15 new guys and gals in the last few years hitting the field. I will definitely say that alot of the older guys and even guys who have been on for 2-4 years darn sure know there areas more than the office guys, that is unless the office guys held those units before they went to the office.

 

I hear you on one of your last sentences " Most guys in entry level positions do not know more than their bosses". In many cases that is true, but there is no way that anyone other thant the WM will know what is going on in there units unless the office guys have been in the field with them. Numbers don't mean everything, you still have to factor in all the other issues the wildlife face out there and thats why I think if a WM wants to lower or raise permits based off of other things than just numbers, than they should be able to do that without anyone else telling them what to do.

 

I don't agree with this comment you made-"The longer they are in the same post the more they forget nearly every supervisor started as a WM". I am not talking about supervisors making these change4s, It's the guys even higher up, and yes they may have started as WM's but they have been out of the field for so long and they have no idea what every unit has issues with as compared to the WM's. I don't want to fight about this anymore, it seems like everytime I make a post or comment about the dept. someone wants to argue or start a pissing match on here. Thats why my buddy doesn't get on here, he gets disgusted with the stuff I tell him about people on here bashing the dept. all the time.

 

 

 

"I wouldn't say that wildlife managers aka field guys are in entry level positions, I know some that have been WM's for over 20 years. My opinion is the guys in the field should make the decisions, since they are the ones doing the surveys and know there units and whats going on in them. Just my two cents."

 

 

You're assuming WMs are equally knowledgeable about their units. They are not. Some are so biased they won't accept new ideas and believe they own their units and the wildlife in them. That's why the guys in the offices set guidelines for how surveys are to be taken and how data are to be used. I stand by my original position: Most guys in entry level positions do not know more than their bosses. The longer they are in the same post the more they forget nearly every supervisor started as a WM.

 

Bill Quimby

[cmc]

, it seems like everytime I make a post or comment about the dept. someone wants to argue or start a pissing match on here. Thats why my buddy doesn't get on here, he gets disgusted with the stuff I tell him about people on here bashing the dept. all the time.

 

 

I know this feeling all too well.

 

I still haven't found ANYONE that is willing to apply and become a WM since all they spout is that they themselves could do better or know exactly how things should be done. Not one person, go figure.

 

BTW... tell your buddy I said hi.

 

cmc

Chris McCotter

[IHunt2live]

, it seems like everytime I make a post or comment about the dept. someone wants to argue or start a pissing match on here. Thats why my buddy doesn't get on here, he gets disgusted with the stuff I tell him about people on here bashing the dept. all the time.

 

 

I know this feeling all too well.

 

I still haven't found ANYONE that is willing to apply and become a WM since all they spout is that they themselves could do better or know exactly how things should be done. Not one person, go figure.

 

BTW... tell your buddy I said hi.

 

cmc

Chris McCotter

 

 

I'm with you guys. I've talked with Martin and he has expressed the same concern with me. To bad to I'm sure he could add a lot to the site.

Sorry, I'm not willing to apply to be a WM but I am working towards being a Wildlife Biologist and I'll work for the GF someday if they will hire me.

[Guest 300ultramag.]

Hey 300Ultramag,

 

My buddy said you finally called him, but he was out in the field working. He said you left him a message, but no phone number for him to call u back on. Thanks for calling him, please call him back and leave him a number to call u back on.

 

Thanks

 

 

DONE! i left my number.