Str8Shot Report post Posted August 5, 2016 Thoreau .... A classic Quote ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattys281 Report post Posted August 5, 2016 Because of a "nothings dying if lead ain't flying" attitude, none. While agree, waiting for the perfect shot often can lead to a no-shoot. But I'd fell much better about not having a shot then taking a marginal shot and wounding an animal. The whole "nothings dying I'd lead ain't flying" attitude doesn't cut it anymore. We as hunters are under a microscope, social media and Web sites like this make it much easier for antis to find ammo against us. Listening to Randy Newberg on my way back from pinetop he talked and out lethality index. I think anyone with the above quoted attitude needs to listen to that podcast and evaluate their own attitude. Because of a "nothings dying if lead ain't flying" attitude, none. While agree, waiting for the perfect shot often can lead to a no-shoot. But I'd fell much better about not having a shot then taking a marginal shot and wounding an animal. The whole "nothings dying I'd lead ain't flying" attitude doesn't cut it anymore. We as hunters are under a microscope, social media and Web sites like this make it much easier for antis to find ammo against us. Listening to Randy Newberg on my way back from pinetop he talked and out lethality index. I think anyone with the above quoted attitude needs to listen to that podcast and evaluate their own attitude. Why the edit Casey? Your original response was much more honest. I agree with your point of view, but I would point out again, I'm not advocating for chitty shots. I'm just saying that I'm a little more aggressive on the trigger than the ethic-cop/elites may like. It works for me. There's more than one way too skin a cat, and more than one way to kill/skin a buck. I knew a transplant from Iowa years ago that liked to sit real high right on top of trails and spine shoot deer. His reasoning was he didn't want to lose one on his neighbors property, where he couldn't recover it. It worked for him. I, myself, like longer shots. I'd rather shoot at a deer at 40-60 yards than under 30, because they don't jump the string nearly as much. That works for me. I dont shoot well, but I shoot often. - Teddy Roosevelt That simple quote has Inspired me to take some shots that the magazine fantasy hunters may scoff at, but I filled my tags, and often the willingness to put an arrow in the air is the difference between meat on your back or on the hooves. Theres more than one kill shot, and while I prefer a nice broadside double lunger, its not the only one I'll take. How many animals have you wounded/lost with that poor attitude? One. How many have you lost with your rich attitude? I don't need a perfect shot, I'll settle for a good one. That's my point, I'm not encouraging people to take bad shots, but if you wait for the 'perfect' one, you'll likely never shoot. I have NEVER wounded a deer, Rifle or Bow... over 300deer... Yes, some years I never even take a shot, I know my limits, both marksmanship wise and what my heart tells me... Read " Hunting with the Bow and arrow" by Saxton T. Pope, arguebly the father of modern American Hunting archery, and of Pope and Young fame, him and his buds launched arrows at everything, at long ranges,+100yards, with home-made gear,100years ago and killed critters... and wounded alot more I'm sure... That is absolutely incredible. I honestly wish I'd had even half the opportunity, but all my experience is from right here in Az where we have less than a 5% success rate for archery hunters and of course our generous one deer limit. I hunted for years trying to find that MR James/ Bill Winke text book perfect broadside shot. Never happened even once. I was so frustrated that I was on the verge of just giving up completely and buying a rifle. But instead I turned down the ethics/magazine b.s. and got a little more aggressive. That got me 6 deer in 8 years where as I hadn't been able to do it at all in the 15 before that. I've never taken a shot at anything that I didn't think would be 100% lethal, but sometimes I have missed. And the one deer I was not able to recover was still hit lethally. I lost him to a bad tracking job. I didn't hit him well, and pushed him too soon. I bumped him out of his bed and he left the county, leaving behind a 3-foot diameter pool of blood. I probably didn't really make it out of the county, but I was not able to find him in the nasty thick canyon that I saw him run into. I lost my meat, but at the end of the day, the result was the same for the deer. He died and got eaten. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest oneshot Report post Posted August 6, 2016 It"s all good Mattys281... I have been blessed, in time and location, to have too many deer and many tags and could afford to wait it out... Plus I can track an arrowed critter maybe better then I can shoot them...Hahaha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstcoueswas80 Report post Posted August 6, 2016 I edited my post because in my opinion lost animals off of good shot opportunities do not pertain to our current conversation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattys281 Report post Posted August 6, 2016 I edited my post because in my opinion lost animals off of good shot opportunities do not pertain to our current conversation. The conversation about our favorite outdoor quotes, or the one where you made it personal by saying I had a poor attitude andinferred that I'd probably lost a lot of animals because of it, but then, as it turned out, you've actually lost a lot more than I have??? Good luck to you buddy, I hope your great big giant ethics don't block your aim this seasons. and if you do put another bad hit on one, don't call Oneshot for help, he has absolutely no experience at tracking wounded game! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Allforelk Report post Posted August 6, 2016 I would say that Aldo and H.D.T probably lay claim to my favorite quotes. Also, a sarcastic quote to a poo butt one timer in camp by one of my mentors "the elk are where they find you". 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WampusCat Report post Posted August 6, 2016 “One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted… if one were to present the sportsman with the death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it. What he is after is having to win it, to conquer the surly brute through his own effort and skill with all the extras that this carries with it: the immersion in the countryside, the healthfulness of the exercise, the distraction from his job.” -Jose Ortega y Gasset “Don't tell fish stories where the people know you; but particularly, don't tell them where they know the fish.” -Mark Twain “To those devoid of imagination a blank place on the map is a useless waste; to others, the most valuable part.” - Aldo Leopold Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mesajeeper Report post Posted August 8, 2016 "It's not the winner, but the race. It's not the laurel, but the chase" Art Lee. I don't know the true origin of this quote, but my granddad would say this on our hunting trips years ago. It is true! I value the time spent with my granddad much more than the animals we harvested. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
