Dog Fighting Like Hunting?!?! What?!?!

[ruffcountry]

the dog got a 12 guage slug to the head. To me that is justifiable

 

 

Careful you just admitted to being involved with killing a dog .

[Huntn coues]

the dog got a 12 guage slug to the head. To me that is justifiable

 

 

Careful you just admitted to being involved with killing a dog .

 

Justifiable!

[coueschaser3]

As to a dog being "soulless" you have obviously never had one good dog in your time. And it is unfortunate for yourself that you cannot see the difference between humanely harvesting an animal for a designed purpose or euthanizing a dangerously trained animal or killing and unborne human and having a bunch of "balla's" who think they are the chit watching and betting on dogs who know nothing better and were taught nothing better than to rip each other up for entertainment purposes and then beat and torture the animal for doing bad. THAT IS SICK. Any human being with ethics and morals can see that. All animals should be treated with respect they were placed here for a reason and should not be abused. Hunting is in no way abuse to an animal, humans have been a major predator since we were here, we did not torture dogs since we were here.

 

As for the people who condone it lets raise the stakes to bear fights and see one of you try and abuse the bear that does not perform to your standards. It takes a Coward to beat a dog, and afterwards he/she will still lick your hand.

[KGAINES]

We have had a lot of discussions on here about legal and ethical, dogfighting is neither legal nor ethical, when you drop two have starved probably roided up drugged up dogs into a pit to kill each other you are a sick person, and even the winner is usually about dead. Now we hear if they do not do as they are taught or if they are not game enough they torture them for fun. As someone said earlier they were proud to be an American and can speak how they feel, well we all can and just because the groups that are against Vick are groups with an agenda against hunting doesn't mean we should support him, being an American also gives him a right to a trial and to be innocent until proven guilty, he pleaded guilty, he deserves everything he gets and if he didn't do what was said I would spend every dang penny I had to prove my innocence and would go to my dying day with at least me knowing that I did the right thing and was honest, he confessed because he did it and if he didn't even worse charges were going to be brought against him. I would beat the heck out of someone if I caught them doing that to a dog, but on the same note if a house was burning down with someone I hated in it and there was also a dog, and I only had time to save one the dog is dying, human life is more important. The groups who want to stop hunting don't give a crap about what is right or not they have an agenda and will use any means necessary to to get what they want including linking hunting and dogfighting together, they want to make us all out to be a bunch of shoot em up rednecks from the backhills of Arkansas and the fact that most of us are educated, honest, law abiding citizens just ticks them off.

 

The sports radio shows were all doing this weeks ago depending on the host of the show, using this as a way to state their anti hunting viewpoints or speak with ignorance on hunting period.

[DesertBull]

It is a sport , a blood sport and hunting is a blood sport, too. I do not now nor have I ever owned any fighting dogs and I have never seen a dogfight but it doesnt effect me if others do and most of the people howling the loudest about how terrible Vick is are the same ones who would stop all hunting tomorrow if they could and that would effect me . Vicks biggest enemies in this are our (hunters) biggest enemies and I will not support our enemies . I see no justice in taking a mans liberty for what he does with his personal livestock.

 

 

I agree on to an extent.

 

PETA is getting all kinds of air time and "legit" status coverage, but I eat the animals I kill. I don't torture them, big difference. I actually heard one newscaster today mention that Vick murdered the dogs? huh?

 

If he would have just had them put down humanely at the vets, instead of taking pleasure in finding various ways of killing them, he would never have seen jail time. It's not he can't afford the vet bill. Also, he did not actually do alot of the killing, from what I read. His "friends" did it, but he knew what was going on.

 

Dog fighting is a barbaric activity in it's own right, but the trouble for Vick came after learning of the ways he disposed of the dogs.

[Coues 'n' Sheep]

Guys, I think that there is common ground here... I am sorta hearing the same highlights on both sides. As good hunters I/we respect animals more than most people do. We respect their beauty, majesty, and life...... But Mother Nature is the Cruelest force on the planet.... far more cruel or brutal than any one human or animal. I think that we can all agree that, Vick is more animal than human, based on his inability to harbor emotion for an animal. I, for one, consider pitbulls as working dogs.... not pets. They are killing machines... I could care less if they live or die as a breed, but intentional torture of any living thing is just morally wrong, and bad karma to boot. I don't think that the original concept for dog fighting or cock fighting were meant to made so evil by man... but competion and money drove them to the sick and cruel things they have become... as well as inhuman people like, Vick. I also agree that in order to stand for what is right we have to be on the same side of the fence as our arch enemies (Anti's). It pains me to do so but, right, is right. I/we are not the kind of poeple that take joy in brutalizing any animal... and we should not support those that do, lest we be grouped in with them and lead to slaughter before the public eye. Our national groups should stand up and be heard that hunters don't support this kind of travisty, in order help support and strengthen our own case and point. As far as the pitbulls.... let 'em fight... that is what they are and that is what they do.... natural born killers. I wouldn't give you a wheat penny for the whole dang breed.... they have no other real purpose than to kill.... they are a senseless breed....IMO.

 

CnS

[.270]

good heck, what is goin' on here? just because some peta sob or some nba jackass says that hunting and dog fighting are the same, it doesn't mean hunters have to side with vick in order to protect their sport. good night fellers. heck, what if they compared hunters to child molesters? you gonna defend baby rapin'? i can't believe folks can't see the difference. these are 2 completely different things that have absolutely nothing to do with each other and defending something that has been deemed a felony by the rule of law is absolutely no way to justify what we like to do. dang, don't get this stuff blurred. hunting an't a "bloodsport". there is some blood involved, but that ain't what it's about. be fine with me if the animals i hunted didn't even have blood or guts. just something to deal with to get em ready to eat. but come on guys, do not get on the wagon with folks who get joy from torturing and maming animals and enjoy watching them kill each other. there is absolutely no connection between our sport that that crap and if you can't see the definite seperation, and a big one at that, you oughta think about counselling. Lark.

[kwp]

I think that the last two posts have hit on this but to me it is not about siding with the anti(everything) groups, it is about distancing ourselves from the dogfighting/dogtorturing groups such as Vick and his "Bad Newz Kennels" gang!

 

I think that some of the larger conservation groups (RMEF, Ducks Unlimited, etc.) need to stand up and have a voice stating that dog fighting and hunting are in no way one and the same and that the hunting population in no way condones the actions of people involved in dog fighting and the terrible acts of torture that these individuals have committed.

[couesdiehard]

Lark,

I never thought I would type these words but....I agree with you completely on this one.

Wow, that was difficult for me. But when you're right you're right. I'm not sure why ruffcountry thinks torturing any animal is the same as hunting but I disagree with him.

Be careful who you bed with folks. We have a big enough battles with PETA and the like without giving them the gift of tying our cause to those who would torture and abuse any animal. I do believe that those who raise livestock or pets should when the time comes, kill them HUMANELY. I also believe it is the obligation of every hunter when the time comes to kill the game HUMANELY. Torturing and suffering should be avoided always.

[COOSEFAN]

Quote: "White said he does not support dogfighting and that he considers it as bad as hunting."

 

 

This is just flat out wrong! These are two entirely different things!

[ruffcountry]

From WordWeb Online Dictionary

Noun: blood sport " blúd sport"

Sport that involves killing animals (especially hunting)

[ruffcountry]

You don't have to like what someone says to defend their freedom to say it , just as you dont have to like what someone does to defend their freedom to do so .

[Guest 300ultramag.]

You don't have to like what someone says to defend their freedom to say it , just as you dont have to like what someone does to defend their freedom to do so .

 

 

FIGHTING DOGS IS NOT A SPORT.

 

 

HUNTING IS A LIFESTYLE.

 

EVERY ONE THAT HAS EATEN A CHICKEN SANDWICH.

AND SAYS HUNTING IS INHUMANE.IS A HYPOCRITE.

YOUR CHICKEN IS SERVED ON A PLATE W/ A GARNISH.

WHILE THE WEEK BEFORE THAT CHICKEN WAS CLUBBED AND CLEANED AND NOW SERVED W/ FRIES

 

HOW ABOUT YOUR OMELET.

RAISED IN A CAGE! $3.99 W/ HASHBROWNS

 

BOTTOM LINE VICK IS EASILY INJURED AND NEEDED TO PROVE HIS MANLYHOOD FOR THE REASONS HE COULD NOT PLAY IN THE NFL ITS ALL EGO, NOT MONEY!

[ruffcountry]

I can,t believe this guy is defending vick and marbury. Probably would defend Kobe and OJ as well. The difference is as stated vick did it of his own free will it was a FELONY and he lied until there was no way out. The dogs couldn't cut as illegal fighting dogs and were hung in a tree when that didnt work they were pulled down slamed to the ground or electricuted. Mike Vick is One Twisted SOB. So Called blood sports are Also something we call (FAIR).

 

No. O.J. is as guilty of double murder as he is black . He should be executed by electrocution , hanging , firing squad ,or maybe he should just get life in prison with the rapist Kobe as his cell mate

 

The older I get, the more proud I am to be an American.

 

Ruff,

 

I commend you for sticking to your guns and not "following suit". You make a good point. I agree that the majority fighting Vick are those opposing our "sport" and it's dangerous to give them the support they're looking for.

 

Is dogfighting the issue, or is it the methods of euthanization that takes place as a result of dogfighting? If the electrocution, beating, etc. wasn't in the picture would we regard him as any better of a person? Probably. You guys remember the guy here in Tucson (Three Points) who beat, burned, used to bite and finally RAPE his dog? Not sure what his punishment was but I know he went away for awhile. Sounds like if it wasn't for the abuse and euthanization, it wouldn't be as high profile (other than it being Vick himself).

 

I had this conversation with my wife and she's an absolute dog lover to the bone. I asked her what the difference between this and cockfighting was (regardless of one being legal in some places and the other not at all). Her answer was that dogs play a much more significant role in a human beings life than a chicken does (other than food- for most of the world anyway).

 

If Vick is guilty of all these things, he should pay the consequences- no question. But I do agree that we can't forget about those against our right to hunt and their interpretation of what we call a sport.

 

God Bless America!!!!

 

Thank you Sir , you are a great american .

 

Well probably they will be euthanized due to the fact that they were trained to attack. They probably will not beat,

drown or hang them.

 

NO this is not the dogs fault but they were trained by that SCUM BAG Vick to kill.

 

Sorry , but real pit bulls are born to fight , they are not trained . Euthanized = Killed. If you want to anthropomorphisize consider this , what do you think a fighting dog would choose , euthanization or a fighting chance in a fair fight ? I know which one I would choose ,how about you ?

[ruffcountry]

It's not a question of killing a dog or a deer but it is a question on how you go about it. I had a friend who had a dog and

that dog was a pretty cool dog (so I thought)

 

We were all sitting around playing poker when his nephew knocked on the door (7yrs old or so) and came in. A minute later

the dog came in the room and attacked the boy and pretty much wigged out and tore the kids face half off (litterally)

Well about 2 minutes later the dog got a 12 guage slug to the head. To me that is justifiable but he did not torture,electrify,

drown or slam his head into the concrete.

 

I know what is coming next but to me there is a HUGE difference in dispatching an animal quickly which most NORMAL

people would do or have the intent to do.

 

Now I know some of you are going to come back and say what about a bad shot that you put on the animal( it happens )

but not with intent.

 

Maurbury and Vick are sorry pieces of chit. Vic for doing those dispicable acts and Marbury for being just an Idiot.

 

Yep GOD bless America. And one of the the reasons split hooved animals are here on earth is to be consumed! Yes harvested and consumed ( in my stomach ) not beat or brutalized till it dies.

 

 

 

My finger is getting tired ( yes I am a chicken pecker of the key board) so that was my .02 "phew"

 

 

First ,I would like to extend sincere sympathy to your nephew .I hope he has recovered from this terrible attack.

 

Of course killing this dog was justifiable , although in hindsight you probaly should have killed the dog by shooting it thru the heart and saving the brain for rabies analysis.

 

What if the dog had just nipped the boy ? Would killing the dog still be justifiable ?

What if it had only snapped at him ? Justifiable?

What if it had growled at him ?....Justifiable?

What about if you just didn't like the way it looked at him ?... Justifiable?

What about if you knew the boy would soon be spending a lot of time around and you just didnt want to take chances? Would you be justified in a preemptive killing of the dog?

 

 

 

Have you ever hunted any animal that didn't have split hooves? Did you consume them ?