redline410 Report post Posted August 22, 2007 Hmm, training a domestic animal to be a vicious killer, then shooting it, electrocuting it or slamming it on the ground until it's dead when it shows no sign of aggression while its chained to a stake. Yup just like hunting......Freaking idiots......... Oh how did we survive before such pillars of morality like the NAACP and atheletes were able to grace us with their infinite wisdom................ http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/artic...marbury-ON.html http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/foot...p.ap/index.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted August 22, 2007 he's right, it is a sport. so is serail murder, serial rape, child molesting, racial violence, wife beating, etc. shows you what kinda guy marbury is. zakly the reason i quit watchin' the nba years ago. it's more choreographed than pro rasslin'. it's a joke. one thing for sure, the falcons will have a much better team with that coach killer ball hog gone. i've spent my whole life with working dogs of one kind or another. sometimes they would fight, but it was personall to the dogs. and i never condoned it or let em keep after it. training dogs to kill each other is a sick deal. and folks that get kicks from it are sick folks. Lark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffcountry Report post Posted August 22, 2007 Well , this isn't going to be popular , but I agree completely with Marbury . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wetmule Report post Posted August 23, 2007 Ruff, Starbury said Vick is a good person that just fell into a bad situation, come on you buy that load? He pled guilty and all the things he's accused of doing he premeditatedly did on his own and put himself in that situation. Marbury is an idiot that should have kept his mouth shut. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffcountry Report post Posted August 23, 2007 It is a sport , a blood sport and hunting is a blood sport, too. I do not now nor have I ever owned any fighting dogs and I have never seen a dogfight but it doesnt effect me if others do and most of the people howling the loudest about how terrible Vick is are the same ones who would stop all hunting tomorrow if they could and that would effect me . Vicks biggest enemies in this are our (hunters) biggest enemies and I will not support our enemies . I see no justice in taking a mans liberty for what he does with his personal livestock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wetmule Report post Posted August 23, 2007 The difference is hunting is a legal activity - fighting dogs and then hanging them, electrocuting them, drowning them and slamming them on the cement till they are dead if they don't perform up to your satisfaction is not legal and in most peoples eyes is regarded as being pretty sick, thus he's in trouble and a fair amount of trouble at that. Whatever dude if you don't see a difference ........... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bustedknuckleinc Report post Posted August 23, 2007 I can,t believe this guy is defending vick and marbury. Probably would defend Kobe and OJ as well. The difference is as stated vick did it of his own free will it was a FELONY and he lied until there was no way out. The dogs couldn't cut as illegal fighting dogs and were hung in a tree when that didnt work they were pulled down slamed to the ground or electricuted. Mike Vick is One Twisted SOB. So Called blood sports are Also something we call (FAIR). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coueschaser3 Report post Posted August 23, 2007 It is a sport , a blood sport and hunting is a blood sport, too. I do not now nor have I ever owned any fighting dogs and I have never seen a dogfight but it doesnt effect me if others do and most of the people howling the loudest about how terrible Vick is are the same ones who would stop all hunting tomorrow if they could and that would effect me . Vicks biggest enemies in this are our (hunters) biggest enemies and I will not support our enemies . I see no justice in taking a mans liberty for what he does with his personal livestock. Do you not respect the animals you hunt? As a hunter i have the utmost respect for what i hunt and i believe most others on this website feel the same. They put their money into keeping them around and giving them better habitat so that our kids can have the same respect for them that we do. In no way shape or form does dogfighting have respect for a dog, a dog is a friend, a wonderful creature that loves its owner more than any person could. i know i have a german shorthair that loves nothing more than to hunt and be with his owner. Also i dont see hunting as a "sport". It is a passion and a way of life. you dont win or lose. condoning dogfighting only makes hunters seem to have the same "morals" as one who would throw dogs in a pit and watch them rip eachother up to please their "owner". If your ultimate goal when you go to the field is to kill or wound what ever you can, then maybe it would be a "bloodsport".I as a hunter can say hey more power to the anti's for hating dog fights, i hate them to, at least they got one part of their head screwed on right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tines Report post Posted August 23, 2007 The older I get, the more proud I am to be an American. Ruff, I commend you for sticking to your guns and not "following suit". You make a good point. I agree that the majority fighting Vick are those opposing our "sport" and it's dangerous to give them the support they're looking for. Is dogfighting the issue, or is it the methods of euthanization that takes place as a result of dogfighting? If the electrocution, beating, etc. wasn't in the picture would we regard him as any better of a person? Probably. You guys remember the guy here in Tucson (Three Points) who beat, burned, used to bite and finally RAPE his dog? Not sure what his punishment was but I know he went away for awhile. Sounds like if it wasn't for the abuse and euthanization, it wouldn't be as high profile (other than it being Vick himself). I had this conversation with my wife and she's an absolute dog lover to the bone. I asked her what the difference between this and cockfighting was (regardless of one being legal in some places and the other not at all). Her answer was that dogs play a much more significant role in a human beings life than a chicken does (other than food- for most of the world anyway). If Vick is guilty of all these things, he should pay the consequences- no question. But I do agree that we can't forget about those against our right to hunt and their interpretation of what we call a sport. God Bless America!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffcountry Report post Posted August 23, 2007 Is dog fighting brutal ? Yea , but what is tieing a razor to a stick and poking it thru a deer ? As for legal , I'm not talking about legal , abortion is legal but I think it is much more wrong to kill an unborn human than a souless dog. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tines Report post Posted August 23, 2007 This is getting deep! I disagree that a dog is soulless. That's an entirely different issue though. What the lawmakers have determined, despite what we feel personally, is a life's worth varies to it's specific species. Interpretation of what hunting is varies amongst even us hunters but our respect for animals shouldn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffcountry Report post Posted August 23, 2007 “Quotes from Wayne Pacelle , president H$U$ Our goal is to get sport hunting in the same category as cock fighting and dog fighting.” — Bozeman (MT) Daily Chronicle, Oct 1991 “We would be foolish and silly not to unite with people in the public health sector, the environmental community, [and] unions, to try to challenge corporate agriculture.” — “Animal Rights 2002” convention, Jul 2002 “We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of livestock produced through selective breeding ...One generation and out. We have no problems with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding.” — Animal People News, May 1993 “We are going to use the ballot box and the democratic process to stop all hunting in the United States ... We will take it species by species until all hunting is stopped in California. Then we will take it state by state.” — Full Cry magazine, Oct 1990 “If we could shut down all sport hunting in a moment, we would.” — Associated Press, Dec 1991 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Huntn coues Report post Posted August 23, 2007 It's not a question of killing a dog or a deer but it is a question on how you go about it. I had a friend who had a dog and that dog was a pretty cool dog (so I thought) We were all sitting around playing poker when his nephew knocked on the door (7yrs old or so) and came in. A minute later the dog came in the room and attacked the boy and pretty much wigged out and tore the kids face half off (litterally) Well about 2 minutes later the dog got a 12 guage slug to the head. To me that is justifiable but he did not torture,electrify, drown or slam his head into the concrete. I know what is coming next but to me there is a HUGE difference in dispatching an animal quickly which most NORMAL people would do or have the intent to do. Now I know some of you are going to come back and say what about a bad shot that you put on the animal( it happens ) but not with intent. Maurbury and Vick are sorry pieces of chit. Vic for doing those dispicable acts and Marbury for being just an Idiot. Yep GOD bless America. And one of the the reasons split hooved animals are here on earth is to be consumed! Yes harvested and consumed ( in my stomach ) not beat or brutalized till it dies. My finger is getting tired ( yes I am a chicken pecker of the key board) so that was my .02 "phew" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffcountry Report post Posted August 23, 2007 What is going to happen to the 50 or so dogs rescued from Vicks Va. property . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Huntn coues Report post Posted August 23, 2007 Well probably they will be euthanized due to the fact that they were trained to attack. They probably will not beat, drown or hang them. NO this is not the dogs fault but they were trained by that SCUM BAG Vick to kill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
