Point Guard

[Flatlander]

Like wise. I'm pretty sure I have 3 friends that will pay 1k a piece to put in and draw archery rut tags.

You know where to find me

[krp]

I don't think they have decided how to do it yet. We may still see a premium membership only or some such.

 

Problem is we can't even say now there is abuse of the draw, just that there is a new system. with new variables.

 

1st and 2nd choice

Bounus points

20% pass

80% general

Surrender Tag redistribution

 

Kent

[pwrguy]

I like the concept, the fact that they are going to hit you an extra 5 bucks per application AND not refund your tag fee....ripoff dirtbags diggin into my wallet like usual. Nothin new for govmint.

[ThomC]

And for another 5 bucks we will throw in free game processing to the lucky winner. And for another 5 bucks we will give you the coordinates of the biggest bull seen during the survey last year. And for another 5 bucks the lucky winner will get to kill 5 bucks, 2 does and a do-wac-a-do. And for another five bucks the lucky winner will get their face on the cover of next years regs. ROTFLOL

[krp]

Looking at the descending calendar of 2nd tues in feb.

 

And starting with a proxy that doesn't fish or hunt, isn't old enough to get a pioneer or young enough to pay 5 bucks... so no existing license.

 

Year

 

2016 37 - 13

2017 37 - 13 starts new cycle

2018 13

2019 37 - 13

2020 13

2021 37 - 13

2022 13

2023 37 - 13 starts new cycle

2024 13

 

Loyalty and HE if they will do the class

 

11 BPs 302.00

 

Year 10 add 135 - 37 - 13 - 5 = 190.00 on the giveback tag

 

Year 11 they will have 12 BPs add 135 - 13 and get them to hunt their tag with yours.

 

Or skip the next year just have them keep adding to the 12 for future years and you can add a few BPs of your own, the 2 for 1 plan.

 

Kent

[yotebuster]

Looking at the descending calendar of 2nd tues in feb.

 

And starting with a proxy that doesn't fish or hunt, isn't old enough to get a pioneer or young enough to pay 5 bucks... so no existing license.

 

Year

 

2016 37 - 13

2017 37 - 13 starts new cycle

2018 13

2019 37 - 13

2020 13

2021 37 - 13

2022 13

2023 37 - 13 starts new cycle

2024 13

 

Loyalty and HE if they will do the class

 

11 BPs 302.00

 

Year 10 add 135 - 37 - 13 - 5 = 190.00 on the giveback tag

 

Year 11 they will have 12 BPs add 135 - 13 and get them to hunt their tag with yours.

 

Or skip the next year just have them keep adding to the 12 for future years and you can add a few BPs of your own, the 2 for 1 plan.

 

Kent

You could start an online service that hooks these non hunters up with people like me and trphyhunter. I'll be your first subscriber.

[krp]

As always, my contributions are free.

 

I've had plenty of offers to join the professional hunting and fishing world.

 

No thanks.

 

Kent

[HuntHarder]

Looking at the descending calendar of 2nd tues in feb.

 

And starting with a proxy that doesn't fish or hunt, isn't old enough to get a pioneer or young enough to pay 5 bucks... so no existing license.

 

Year

 

2016 37 - 13

2017 37 - 13 starts new cycle

2018 13

2019 37 - 13

2020 13

2021 37 - 13

2022 13

2023 37 - 13 starts new cycle

2024 13

 

Loyalty and HE if they will do the class

 

11 BPs 302.00

 

Year 10 add 135 - 37 - 13 - 5 = 190.00 on the giveback tag

 

Year 11 they will have 12 BPs add 135 - 13 and get them to hunt their tag with yours.

 

Or skip the next year just have them keep adding to the 12 for future years and you can add a few BPs of your own, the 2 for 1 plan.

 

Kent

Don't forget about your points. If you want a unit 1 archery bull tag, it is going to take 12 points to be gurenteed a tag. So between you and your family member, you are going to have to average out to 12. Your scenario works out best if your family member has 22 and you have 2.

[trphyhntr]

 

 

I'm not going anywhere. I'm stating realities and fact.

 

I can buy a license on feb 1st and apply for elk and the next year apply for elk on Jan 31 on the same license. I only have to buy a license again if drawn. Otherwise do it again the 3rd and 4th.

 

Kent

That is where I figure you were going. Doesn't work that way. See the exerpt I posted above from the regs. Your license must be valid on the last day of the application deadline, not the day you apply.

 

The license you buy on Feb 1 will not be valid on the final day of the application deadline the following year. Take 2016 and 2017 for example. Let's say you bought your license in 2016 on the last day possible for elk which was 2/09/16. In 2017 that draw deadline will be on 2/14/17 (second Tuesday in February). You license is no longer valid.

you can put in with a license that is expired. You just can't hunt with it. Maybe online it boots you but if you put it on paper app it's not a problem. I made up a number up a couple years ago, I called them they said no problem as long as you have a good one in the field

[couesmagnet]

This is a horrible idea for everyone. Point creep will sky rocket. This new point guard benefits me tremendously as i have 4 friends with 17 points for deer a piece that will do exactly how i tell them to do draw wise and fully for my benefit. Even though i stand to benefit more than most from the new point guard i'm still very against it because of the non fairness of it to the average guy just trying to go hunting. Forget about calculating draw odds anymore for certain hunts. The tags given back better be kept track of, cause this is where the real apples can be given behind the scenes to prominent people with no oversight from the general public. I just dont understand why game and fish doesn't just raise tag and license fees across the board to generate surplus funds instead of conjuring up these triple tier crazy ideas that are ripe for corruption and unfairness to the average guy. I have to think there's a reason they dont just raise license and tag fees and make it simple, and the only reason i can think of that they didnt do it that way is obvious, that being if they do it the point guard way there's room in the system for corruption with the given back tags. The given back tags are the real hidden gem in the point guard thing for behind the scenes activities that the general public will have no idea about or WHO THEY GO TO. Like i said this new point guard thing is a sweet deal for me for sure, but is it best for the overall good of my fellow hunters, the answers a big fat no...

[krp]

 

 

I'm not going anywhere. I'm stating realities and fact.

 

I can buy a license on feb 1st and apply for elk and the next year apply for elk on Jan 31 on the same license. I only have to buy a license again if drawn. Otherwise do it again the 3rd and 4th.

 

Kent

That is where I figure you were going. Doesn't work that way. See the exerpt I posted above from the regs. Your license must be valid on the last day of the application deadline, not the day you apply.

 

The license you buy on Feb 1 will not be valid on the final day of the application deadline the following year. Take 2016 and 2017 for example. Let's say you bought your license in 2016 on the last day possible for elk which was 2/09/16. In 2017 that draw deadline will be on 2/14/17 (second Tuesday in February). You license is no longer valid.

you can put in with a license that is expired. You just can't hunt with it. Maybe online it boots you but if you put it on paper app it's not a problem. I made up a number up a couple years ago, I called them they said no problem as long as you have a good one in the field

 

 

OK, I didn't want to personally put that info out... but ya, you don't have to buy a license.

 

Kent

[krp]

 

Looking at the descending calendar of 2nd tues in feb.

 

And starting with a proxy that doesn't fish or hunt, isn't old enough to get a pioneer or young enough to pay 5 bucks... so no existing license.

 

Year

 

2016 37 - 13

2017 37 - 13 starts new cycle

2018 13

2019 37 - 13

2020 13

2021 37 - 13

2022 13

2023 37 - 13 starts new cycle

2024 13

 

Loyalty and HE if they will do the class

 

11 BPs 302.00

 

Year 10 add 135 - 37 - 13 - 5 = 190.00 on the giveback tag

 

Year 11 they will have 12 BPs add 135 - 13 and get them to hunt their tag with yours.

 

Or skip the next year just have them keep adding to the 12 for future years and you can add a few BPs of your own, the 2 for 1 plan.

 

Kent

Don't forget about your points. If you want a unit 1 archery bull tag, it is going to take 12 points to be gurenteed a tag. So between you and your family member, you are going to have to average out to 12. Your scenario works out best if your family member has 22 and you have 2.

 

 

This effects midrange units. Late rifle that takes 5 to 8 points, archery that takes up to 8, which are the most ... even 3C cow takes 5 BPs to get to the 20% pass.

 

Kent

[elkaholic]

yep they get a super tag like - early rifle - any unit - the guy waited upteen yrs to draw- 20 pts . - he can not go - so turn it in no questions asked

 

no big dilemma for g&f - give it to the next guy in line or auction it off to the highest bidder - doors wide open guys with this crap they say is good for the few people that had legitimate excuses for not being able to hunt and complained about the unfair system

 

CASH COW

[Edge]

If I'm reading right, looks like you'd be silly to pay for the BP guard until your far enough along in BP s to have a chance at being drawn for a good hunt. You could purchase point guard in just the final year or two of having a decent shot at being drawn?

[krp]

G&F is selling this as insurance for 'your' points, if something untoward happens to you. 'You' need to buy this every year if you have more than the minimum points.

 

They are not acknowledging any of what we are talking about. Though there were plenty of acknowledgment in the meetings and emails about this a couple years ago.

 

I'm sure they will be surprised at the developments of this policy and how many tags come back to them in the next few years.

 

Kent