crazy4COUES Report post Posted August 15, 2007 The blades mjm hunter is planning on using are cut on impact expandables. They were desighned to eliminate all the problems (imagined and real ) that people state about regular expandables. I have tested these broadheads and believe me penetration will not be a problem even with low KE. I shoot fixed blade now, but when I used expandables(almost evey kind imaginable) I never had one fail as been so often described. When I have had a problem it was due to my poor shooting. In those circumstances I sure wish I could of blamed something other than myself, but the simple truth is that it was me and not the broadheads. I couldn't agree more. Glancing arrows is a whole different scenerio than Kenetic Energy. If you are well practiced and wait for the correct broadside shot they should work GREAT. GOOD LUCK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattys281 Report post Posted August 15, 2007 wow, no pass thru with a fixed blade on a stink pig????? It went right through the shoulder on the opposite side. Broadhead was just barely protruding through bone & hide. Those shoulder blades & dense muscle mass around the socket really slow things down. That was w/ a 350 grain arrow flying at 275 fps at a range of about 8 yards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coues 'n' Sheep Report post Posted August 16, 2007 I've heard a hundred different people talk about target tests w/ expandables vs. fixed blades for penetration, etc. The problem I have with this is that an animal of thick hide, covered with hair, & muscle tissue underneath standing at a quartering away angle is going to cause much different deflection than shooting at a soft, impressionable foam target that is perpindicular to the arrows flight. My bow makes plenty of KE & I still won't touch expandables. I'm not saying they don't work, I know lots of folks who are real happy with them. I just like to plan for the worst case scenario. My javi I hit this year was standing at such a sharp quartering angle that my arrows entrance wound was an inch tall by about 4 inches long. That fixed blade head (NAP Nitron 100) filleted him on the way in like no expandable could do while still trying to open its blades. Again, just my .02. Just to be the Devil's Advocate here Matty... .... I have seen first hand that expandables can be less likely to deflect on an odd angle. When an expandable blade makes contact at, or before tip impact.... it can literally pull the arrow into the cavity. Example: I was antelope hunting with a friend, we were stalking a buck and came out of a wash 56 yards from him. My buddy heard me say fifty yards... ... His impact was soo low that a fixed blade head have sliced through the briscut... and probably not killed the goat..... however.... the expandable head opened and sucked the arrow up... I would not have believed, had I not see with my own eyes that the exit wound was a full 3"- 4" higher than the entrance wound.... .... laugh... call BS... whatever... but I believe in expandable heads and think that their effectiveness is very predictable. They are NOT for every hunting application..... but a very effective tool. Your pig would have died just as well with a good expandable head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobbyo Report post Posted August 16, 2007 . . however.... the expandable head opened and sucked the arrow up... I would not have believed, had I not see with my own eyes that the exit wound was a full 3"- 4" higher than the entrance wound.... : I believe in expandables, but that story makes me wonder what the heck you guys are drinking up there on the Rim. Bob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wardsoutfitters Report post Posted August 16, 2007 Man I dont know where to start> I will say that I have tested just about every broadhead on the market, some perform well and others are just junk. 1) Deflection the only mechanical heads that will deflect on hard angled shots are the ones with out the blades sharpened to the tip of the blades such as rocket and nap heads. 2) energy to open vortex heads = If you were to remove the o-ring that holds the blades closed in flight you would find if you point the tip of the head up the blades will open if you point it down they will close. most people think that the blades push the o-ring back and they think this takes energy to do this, well the fact is that the o-ring actually slides back the shaft the blades really have nothing to do with the o-ring comeing off the head itself. This Is the case with most mechanical heads that use o-rings to keep the blades closed. 3) Mechanicals with the right set up can kill anything, faster and more efectively then any fixed head. animals shot with bows die from hemoriging "aGAIN CANT sPELL" the biger the hole you put in them the faster they die and thats the fact, here are a few pictures of animals I have shot with mechanical heads. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wardsoutfitters Report post Posted August 16, 2007 A few More all with vortex heads Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coues 'n' Sheep Report post Posted August 16, 2007 .. however.... the expandable head opened and sucked the arrow up... I would not have believed, had I not see with my own eyes that the exit wound was a full 3"- 4" higher than the entrance wound.... : I believe in expandables, but that story makes me wonder what the heck you guys are drinking up there on the Rim. Bob Bob..... ..... are you saying I'm crazy??? Well I am.....!! But that is a no BS story I swear.... I would not have believed it had I not seen it. I was weird, but the more I thought about the physics of the broadhead opening the more it made sense. You'll just have to trust me on this one! CnS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Huntn coues Report post Posted August 16, 2007 .. however.... the expandable head opened and sucked the arrow up... I would not have believed, had I not see with my own eyes that the exit wound was a full 3"- 4" higher than the entrance wound.... : I believe in expandables, but that story makes me wonder what the heck you guys are drinking up there on the Rim. Bob Buuuudlight and yager for Gino. 7 ans 7 for G/H And whatever is free for me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
