expandables with light weight

[300 wsm]

My wife shoots a Hoyt Saphire set at 50 lbs. She is shooting Goldtip 35/55 with 85 gr tips. Her arrow speed is about 230 fps. Here is my question. Do any of you guys have experience shooting expandables with a light weight set up, or do you guys think they will work ok? The blades I was thinking about trying her out with are the first cut expandables. They are a cut on cantact point.

[jamaro]

Have you measured her KE? I would try a little heavier broadhead.. I would also use an exapandable that opens before entry like a RAGE or a Snyper or MAYBE the new piston point....

Jason

[bobbyo]

I think they would work, but you should test and compare penetration with a fixed blade on a foam target. Years ago i used expandables with a bow shooting about the same speed and had good luck. Remember the weight of the arrow along with speed produce the kinetic energy. If the kinetic energy/arrow weight is on the light side I would suggest a cut on contact fixed blade. I assume this is for deer. Elk would be fixed blade all the way. Many people will write that you will be crazy to shoot expandables, but like i said they did work for me years ago at about that same speed with greatly inferior expandables. Test them out for yourself.

Bob

[wardsoutfitters]

I will tell you from experience that she will be fine for coues deer sized game out to 40 yards. I know this because My wife has harvested numerious animals with vortex heads with a 42# hoyt saphire with a 35/55 gold tip. she was shooting the vortex mini-max 75 gr 2" cut.

 

 

( I would also use an exapandable that opens before entry like a RAGE or a Snyper or MAYBE the new piston point.... )

 

I WOULD NOT RECOMEND USEING ANY OF THE HEADS MENTIONED ABOVE , DUE TO THE FACT THAT YOU DO NOT WANT THE BROADHEAD TO COMPLETELY DEPLOY UNTILL IT IS PAST ALL THE HARD BONE. THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THOSE HEADS IS WAY OFF COURSE.

 

Iwill say that the vortex heads are far superior to any head I have used I have harvested over 100 big game animals with vortex heads without failure. I must tell you that My fauther owns vortex heads. but if you need proof I will send pictures of animals my wife has harvested with vortex heads, if you are infact going to shoot expandable heads make surt the blades cut their wey into the animal and they dont punch their way in, meaning the blades are sharpened completly to the tips of the blades. If you have anymore questions feel free to give me a call I will try to answer any questions you have concerning vortex heads. on my web site you can look at a picture of a bear my wife shot with the same set up i talked about above.

Steven

[300 wsm]

I did do a foam target test and they did penetrate as far as the fixed blade that she tried. They were both sticking out about seven inches on the other side. They are for deer, I forgot to mention that.

[Coues 'n' Sheep]

I am a huge fan for expandables...... but, I am unsure that I would us them on a bow that is under 250 fps..... IMO, better to be safe than sorry. I think that a cut on impact broadhead like the NAP Razorback is the Perfect head for a slower arrow. BTW, those Razorbacks are wicked on deer! Just my $.02!

[jamaro]

( I would also use an exapandable that opens before entry like a RAGE or a Snyper or MAYBE the new piston point.... )

 

I WOULD NOT RECOMEND USEING ANY OF THE HEADS MENTIONED ABOVE , DUE TO THE FACT THAT YOU DO NOT WANT THE BROADHEAD TO COMPLETELY DEPLOY UNTILL IT IS PAST ALL THE HARD BONE. THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THOSE HEADS IS WAY OFF COURSE.

Steven

 

 

Please explain???

1) So you only want it to deploy on flesh.... How is it going to know the difference.... If it doesn't deploy on bone there is NO WAY there will be enough resistance in flesh to make it deploy

 

2) if you make a marginal hit( IE hit bone) you want as much cutting or blood trail as you can get... If it deploys after it hits bone then you are going to have a small entrance wound and more than likely you won't have an exit wound..

[wardsoutfitters]

1) I dont know how to do the quote thing, but in response , Why would you want to pust 2"'s of blade thru the sholder blade or a rib when you could push 7/8" or even 1" thru it much easier all i'm sayig is yes if you do make a poor shot and hit hard bone you dont want to push 2"s of blade trhu it you obviously would get less penetration. i think you miss understood me. you want the broadhead to completly deploy after the head enters the animal not on the outside !!!!

 

2) if you hit bone and try to push the head thru it with a 2" cut then ya you most likely wont get a pass thru and you wont get near as much penetration either

 

3) another thing you cant compare penetration on a fome target . shaft pinch plays into that to much!!!

[bobbyo]

I did do a foam target test and they did penetrate as far as the fixed blade that she tried. They were both sticking out about seven inches on the other side. They are for deer, I forgot to mention that.

 

They will work fine then. If you already bought them and they fly good you are set. You will probably get a lot more information and a lot of varying opinions. People have been arguing about broadheads since the stoneage and probably continue forever. IMO any decently made broadhead would work. Remember the idea is to hit lungs or heart and kill the animal due to organ failure and you should have a short walk.

Bob

[bowhuntinmaniac]

what is the reason to have her shoot expandables? Check to see what her KE is. But, I would look into a fixed blade like Slick Trick.

[Coues 'n' Sheep]

FYI.... NAP Spitfires make the same 1 1/2" hole going in as it does going out. These expandable heads that don't open on impact are a waste...IMO. With a broadhead, it should be all about the size of the "drain holes"! I want 2 big holes so I have a large and hopefully short bloodtrail.

 

Also, back to the original question on this Thread...... If your wife shoots a deer with an expandable out of a low poundage bow, and it does not pass through, it will not continue to cut like a fixed blade does. So, if the expandable does not open as it enters the hide.... and it does not pass through.... you might as well have shot it with a field point. At 40 yds and in most fixed blade heads are just as accurate as an expandable if properly tuned..... I use my Spitfire 100's most of the time with the thought that if I need to take a shot at beyond 50 yds.... I have the most accurate heads to do that with. My son still shoots the Razorbacks even though he shoots the same poundage I do now... and that is the head that I will put on my wife's bow this year, as well.

 

You can shoot a field tip at a deer and kill it (if that were legal)... but why not try stacking the odds a bit and use the Best head for the situation at hand. Shop around... Muzzy 3-blades are great, Thunderheads are also great, and there are several brands that offer really good chisle point and cut-on-impact fixed blade heads.

 

Again.... just my $.02 ......

[wardsoutfitters]

you know If I shoot a animal I want a 1" hole entering and a 2 1/2" hole exiting you want to talk about blood, witha vortex head you get a 1" entry hole no matter what. to be honest with you your wife would be fine shooting a fixed head she dosen't have enough speed to have flight issues if her bow is tuned.

[bobbyo]

There is nothing wrong with the broadhead she is using. It has a 3/4 inch cut on impact tip and I believe a 1and 1/2 inch expandable that opens on impact. The hole will look just like a zwickey or a steel force with bleeder blades. I use these tips without expandable's for my rabbit/varmit arrow and they are very tough and fly great, plus the rabbits don't run off with the arrow like they did a few times with imbedded blunts.

[jamaro]

okay... we can agree is disagree... WHICH IS A HUGE STEP FOR ME!!! I usually get into an argument... :P :P

Doesn't you dad or family member own vortex????

 

jason

[bowhuntinmaniac]

Yeah, he said in his post his dad owns Vortex.