PROP 123???

[SirRoyal]

Vote YES!!!

[Sam]

Prop 123 is somewhat of a band aid, but for the next 10 years, it is all we have in this state. Yes, the state owes alot of money to the schools and the state should legally come up with this money. Is prop 123 the best way to accomplish this, probably not. But, again it is the ONLY CHOICE right now. Voting no will not force the government to come up it with an alternative. A no vote will only prevent teachers, counselors and other school district employees from getting a raise.

 

Two-thirds of this money will be used to increase salaries. It will also be used to hire more teachers, thus lowering class size. The remaining one-third will be used for building repairs and student spending. All districts have established a new salary schedule. Districts have also agreed to give current employees compensation for this year, which we were promised but never received.......maybe we should have all quit when we did not get what we were promised. Districts will also be increasing the salary of new hires. This may encourage more qualified people to go into teaching.

 

This is my 22nd year in education. I have a master's degree, taught science, history, coached numerous sports and for the past 17 years been a counselor. The last raise I saw was 7 or 8 years ago. Insurance has gone up and so has my required contribution to state retirement, so my take home pay is less now. A YES VOTE will restore some of the money the employees are owed.

 

A YES VOTE will not only benefit employees, but it will also help our students. The alternative is to vote no and sit back and hope the government comes up with another funding source. Good luck with that. A YES VOTE will also avoid raising taxes. This is the alternative, raise property taxes - how many people will like that?

 

Sorry, but I will take the raise for the next 10 years and give the government 10 years to figure things out. VOTE YES - it is good for teachers and it is good for our students!

 

VOTE YES

[Chris]

VOTE NO!

 

I bet the Gov is laughing his butt off! The AEA (teachers union) has the teachers convinced, because of fear, to take a 1 year 5% raise, then for the next 10 years just an inflation raise the years after! The gov steals the Trust money to avoid taking the State money as required in the state legislative laws. The Gov is giving less money than was in the original lawsuit. The Gov then goes and spends state money fighting the lawsuit. And now the Govs state budget wants to reduce the total budget for schools 21 million next year. UGH.

 

The teachers should strike against the Governor NOW, while we (yes I teach) have leverage, which is: (the worst funding per student/per state) against the Governor.

 

Anyone that says the schools have too much money already, have no clue what's going on. Just ask a teacher. The majority of US states spend more than 50 of their yearly budget on schools. Az is well below 50%.

 

My dads trucking retirement pension is more than a beginning teachers salary! That's sad!

 

The teachers and students do need the money, just not what the Gov is pushing for! What a joke.

[Guest 300ultramag.]

government needs to be held accountable. Selling land isn't a fix. Waaaay too many hands in the cookie jar.

 

They don't prioritze public schooling.

[AverageJoe]

How about make school optional? I sure as heck wouldnt send my kid to school if i didnt have to. Its a bunch of BS intended to indoctrinate kids on whatever ourgocernment feels they should be learning.

[AverageJoe]

And its because of the mandatory requirement that i dont give a rats butt about teachers or schools.

[Sam]

And its because of the mandatory requirement that i dont give a rats butt about teachers or schools.

You don't have to send your kids to school - you have every right to keep them home and home school them. Then you can teach them whatever you want. And when they turn 16, you have no obligation to educate them at all. Actually, if you don't claim them on your taxes, no one will know you have kids and then you don't have to worry about educating them. So, you actually have some options........

[Sam]

VOTE NO!

 

I bet the Gov is laughing his butt off! The AEA (teachers union) has the teachers convinced, because of fear, to take a 1 year 5% raise, then for the next 10 years just an inflation raise the years after! The gov steals the Trust money to avoid taking the State money as required in the state legislative laws. The Gov is giving less money than was in the original lawsuit. The Gov then goes and spends state money fighting the lawsuit. And now the Govs state budget wants to reduce the total budget for schools 21 million next year. UGH.

 

The teachers should strike against the Governor NOW, while we (yes I teach) have leverage, which is: (the worst funding per student/per state) against the Governor.

 

Anyone that says the schools have too much money already, have no clue what's going on. Just ask a teacher. The majority of US states spend more than 50 of their yearly budget on schools. Az is well below 50%.

 

My dads trucking retirement pension is more than a beginning teachers salary! That's sad!

 

The teachers and students do need the money, just not what the Gov is pushing for! What a joke.

This lawsuit started 5 years ago and here is where we are at. If Prop 123 gets voted down, the government has another 5 years to come up with another type of settlement. So, if it doesn't pass, that means we could potentially wait 10 years total to get money we should have had years ago. Many teachers who are close to retirement deserve to have their share now.

 

A strike would be great, however, it is May and many of us are preparing students for AP and IB exams; not to mention graduation. I am not sure if I feel comfortable spoiling seniors last weeks of high school. We did strike prior to 301 passing and I do believe walking out had a major impact - class was canceled for 2 days at the high school I worked at. Unfortunately we have 2 weeks until election day - a strike will not happen in this time period.

[Chris]

Yes teachers about to retire would like it to pass. But those lucky few already got their break with the "stepping" pay system before the state changed it.

 

There is a right way, and a wrong way to increase funding. The Gov. is not handling this correctly. You have to look at the whole picture, not just: "we need money."

 

A strike is not going to happen...... It should have been the direction the AEA took. Now once prop 123 passes the leverage is gone, and so is any hope of getting more than a one-time 5% raise.

[DesertBull]

I'll start supporting the public school system when they stop using it as an ultra progressive indoctrination camp.

[Guest wdenike]

I'll start supporting the public school system when they stop using it as an ultra progressive indoctrination camp.

 

 

THIS X 100

 

 

Take care, Willie

[Guest 300ultramag.]

Two things..

That land stuff, ain't being made anymore. So I would hold on good and tight to that stuff. Dumases

 

. Who is in line to buy said land?

[Sam]

Two things..

That land stuff, ain't being made anymore. So I would hold on good and tight to that stuff. Dumases

 

. Who is in line to buy said land?

I am pretty sure the land has already been sold and the money is already in the State Land Trust. The controversy is not who is buying the land and what the land will be used for; the controversy is that the State Land Trust may not be replenished as quickly as the money is used up. But, the obvious solution is to use the excess money that is currently in the State's Surplus Fund. This money is also available.

 

I guess I look at like this - the money is already in the State Land Trust and the State Surplus Fund, so why not use it on education. Without improving education, where will this country be?

 

And for those of you who don't want to support public education, you might as well get ready to support all of these uneducated folks who soon will be living off the government - on your dime. There's alot of good things being taught in the schools. Sadly the media always focuses on the negative crap, as do the parents and the public.

[DesertBull]

I support education. Private education.

[mattys281]

I've always felt like teaching was a very noble calling, and I admire someone that voluntarily sentences themselves to such a meager existence, because they feel like they can do some good in this world. I also question their sanity for it. I wouldn't even consider doing that job if they made 4x what they do.

 

Philanthropy aside though, I vote no for every one of these bills. The status of our schools is a symptom of the state mismanaging money, and the worst thing you can do is give someone that can't handle money more of it to piss away.