For our kids

[MULEPACKHUNTER]

Let's talk proposition 123

 

In an effort to increase k-12 spending our "for" argument individuals, who by the way are almost all either in government or are sponsored by large money groups who will be getting said money's, we now have prop 123 and commercials throwing kids and school at us in every sentence. Nice try guys, the bottom line here is Arizona's own treasurer mr dewit rejected the proposal as bad financial policy but was ignored. That's like your bank telling you you can't afford it and you buy anyway. So this proposal will be spending principle off of the state land trust fund which the fund is not designed for. The moneys will also be rolled into the general fund which does nothing to see its spent on schools. They are projecting earnings on said fund out to 2025 and beyond and gambling on where the fund will be by then and figuring it will have such a gain why not spend the money now! OK so I figure my investments will gain 40% over the next 20 years so why not buy a new truck and house now, makes sense to me!

OK that's my no one special, life long as resident and concerned voter simplification of ole 123. Please vote no so future generations are not having their funding taken from them before they even get to school age.

Sincerely , Michael Hughes az native

[muledeerarea33?]

Prop is a bad idea. It'll take away trust land that will be sold for developments or traded for other lands. There's other ways that the schools can get money, cut the crap and teach the subjects.

[Flatlander]

Ok I can agree with this. BUT, can we please agree to spend some money on education? I would be fine paying tax that was guaranteed to make it to schools.

 

Unfortunately our lovely state legislature tends to rob the pot intended for education. And hence the problem we now face where the state cannot afford to pay schools the money it OWES them from years of under funding. Money the districts had to SUE to get the state to agree to pay.

[Flatlander]

Prop is a bad idea. It'll take away trust land that will be sold for developments or traded for other lands. There's other ways that the schools can get money, cut the crap and teach the subjects.

What are those ways? Again, I said I don't support the prop, but am interested in how others think we should increase school funding.

 

And what crap are you suggesting they cut?

 

Remember state trust land is not intended for your recreation, it's intended to fund schools. We get to use it in the mean time, but the whole point is to sell it at some point. Unless of course we as sportsmen valued it more than some developer. Then we could put our money where our mouth is and pay to use it. You know, since it is designed to provide funding for schools.

[MULEPACKHUNTER]

I agree education spending is important but you know it's not funding it's the management. How can my property taxes in a rural area go up by 600.00 a year in 1 fiscal year and they don't have money?

I pay state parks all the time and I have no problem paying for state land permit.

If they made it easy to buy passes for forest, state, and private I would happily pay but it's a pain to get passes so people , myself included just skip it most of the time. I've never seen it enforced either.

Keep it simple, if there's a shortfall on spending per student then increase it and raise tax. But show me how your not wasting money elsewhere before you raise tax

[Ringer]

Typical government workers. Let's just sell state land until there is no state land then how would you propose funding education? Maybe we could even vote in Prop 124 and guarantee gubmint workers a 2% raise in their pensions each year. Makes sense since all of the private sector has not even had a raise in the last 8 years and pensions became obsolete 30 years ago.

[Snapshot]

If Liberal controlled school systems knew how to spend money wisely, they wouldn't be in this situation. Tucson school district is a prime example.

[DesertBull]

All schools should be private. The govt, especially the fed govt has no business in dictating curriculum, teaching standards or any other aspect of education.

[Guest wdenike]

When they break the teachers union, making teachers get paid on merit and what they produce. While also getting the Feds out of the education. As by now we all know they couldn't run a lemonade stand. Our children will be the benefactors.

 

By the way any bets on how long before this ends up in the dungeon???? LMAO You sponsors need to pay attention to what activity you all lose due to things disappearing in the dungeon. Not many readers there. LOL

 

 

 

Take care, Willie

[chico]

Does anyone remember Prop-301? Back in 2000 Arizona voters passed a sales tax to fund education . The tax base was in place , Where did those funds go?

Prop 123 is just another finger in the dam until another leak occurs.

[Flatlander]

Typical government workers. Let's just sell state land until there is no state land then how would you propose funding education? Maybe we could even vote in Prop 124 and guarantee gubmint workers a 2% raise in their pensions each year. Makes sense since all of the private sector has not even had a raise in the last 8 years and pensions became obsolete 30 years ago.

Typical AZ uninformed ignorant constituent. That's why the state trust land was deeded to the state over a hundred years ago you idiot. The whole reason it exists to is to fund the states school system.

 

And since you brought it up, I've had a raise every single year for the last 8 years. In fact, since 2008 my income has more than doubled. If yours hasn't changed then maybe the problem is in the mirror and not in the economy. This town is starting to boom again, go get yourself what you need.

[Non-Typical Solutions]

Does anyone remember Prop-301? Back in 2000 Arizona voters passed a sales tax to fund education . The tax base was in place , Where did those funds go?

Prop 123 is just another finger in the dam until another leak occurs.

I will go ahead and piss kerosene on the fire at the risk of getting torched.

 

Back in 2000 things were still pretty hot......values were up....there was alot of money to be had and it provided a good flow of money to education and then a short 6-8 years later when the economy took a dump so did that money.

 

I have often tried to compare other work and jobs to education.......for example.....just for fun......dentist.

 

Put 35 kids in the dental office with no room left because the room was built back in 1960 for only 20 students.

Every kid in that room has a symptom of some sort dealing with just their teeth. Cavity, root canal, rotten tooth, impacted teeth, cracked teeth, infected gums....you name it.

Withing a 7 hour day the dentist is to treat every one of those kids for whatever ails them plus,

keep them from bullying each other, teach them sex education, spanish, hygiene, give them a recess, time for lunch, deal with the kids that are late or have to leave early, clean up the throw up in isle 3 cept remember you gotta clear the whole room because the health laws say everybody is going to get sick if you don't.

In the mean time you have Johnny over there who hasn't opened his mouth since he was born and you gotta figure out how to fix his teeth because you can't leave any child behind.

 

Oh.....it is giving me a toothache......and then since mom and dad scheduled the trip to disneyland the week before spring break could you please give my kid everything they need for the week they will be gone and yes we decided to go to mickey land the week before because there aren't as many people there........

 

And......none of us at home brush our teeth so we don't see why Johnny should brush his............

 

And......bottom line.......when government gives control of the schools back to the locals who actually care about their kids and schools are allowed to not be held hostage by the Feds......maybe then things well change.

 

And honestly........the pay sucks, flat out sucks for what teachers have to do to become a teacher and the crap they have to put up with!!!

 

I do agree.....123 is just another band aide that will get wet and fall off!

[Non-Typical Solutions]

Oh I forgot......the dentist......he jacks up the price.....you go buy insurance.....which will cover up to 1500 and then you still go ahead and pay the dentist price.........but give a teacher what they deserve......not a chance don't spend any money on the teachers they are just lazy and need to learn to work with what they are given!!!!

Cut the budget.......get rid of a teacher and lump 10 more kids in the class that is left over so now your kids are getting screwed because there is not enough time in the day for one teacher to help your kid......35 kids......35 papers to grade per subject, 5 subjects 175 papers to grade before 8:00am tomorrow........

[Str8Shot]

They need to stop wasting money on all the school administrators ... Far too many earning far too much .... What ever happened to all the trust money If I recall 500 million to a billion that was suppose to flood into schools between 2001 and 2011 after voted on in 2000 ( I think it was prop 300 or 301 ) ... From my understanding very little made it as far down as teachers and students...

[Non-Typical Solutions]

They need to stop wasting money on all the school administrators ... Far too many earning far too much .... What ever happened to all the trust money If I recall 500 million to a billion that was suppose to flood into schools between 2001 and 2011 after voted on in 2000 ( I think it was prop 300 or 301 ) ... From my understanding very little made it as far down as teachers and students...

When that money came out.......it was supposed to go to the teachers. But...the state attached hoops that had to be jumped through in order to get that money...if you didn't jump you didn't get the money. So instead of a raise it became more work that was put on the teacher in order to get the money.

 

I have been told that due to the economy bust that money dried up......