Trouble and Danger in UNIT 34A

[Redman]

For those who think the illegals have a significant positive impact on the economy because "they take the jobs American's won't" need to research the issue a little bit more and not repeat everything heared. I have researched this issue, and the negative impact illegal citizens have on this country is greater than benefits.

 

With that being said, I hate to see people dying to get in this great country while others (citizens) in this country take every freedom for granted.

 

If you ever camped in Southern AZ and came back to your camp to find it raided, your blood will boil and your feelings will change.

 

Do we know at this point who murdered this hunter? No! Could have been somebody he knew him, drug runners, or illegals? YES.. All the above, only time will tell.

 

The border remains a huge issue to this country and the land that supports the life of our passion, the gray ghost. Is it anybody?s fault? Yes, our government, that we elect, is not doing enough to keep our country safe.

 

Then need to stop worrying about their political career build a barrier, put the US Military on the boarder, and stop illegal immigration of all nationalities NOT JUST Mexicans. This is why we PAY TAXES! Just wait until what is happening is Russia happens in the US, will it be the illegals Mexicans performing these barbaric acts? NO, but with the border so wide open our families are in danger.

 

As AZ4Life said, protect yourself when hunting and think twice about the officials we elect.

 

Ross Perot was correct, that sucking sound you hear are the high paying American jobs being sucked to Mexico, the bill (NAFTA) that passed though with the support of both parties, the demoncrats and the dumblicans. Just ask Desert Bull!

 

Redman!

[Guest Ernesto C]

You know we are just going in circles turning and turning,around and around and we are not getting any where with this disccussion.

 

When I said before do not hunt alone,I was not having in mind an encounter with drug runners only I also was considering some other dangers too like snake bite,broken leg,getting lost etc etc. so what I meant is that we should never be alone anywhere,souht or north hiking or hunting.

Also the idea to wear a hand gun is not only to get protection from bad guys bad from bears,lions etc.

 

Do you really believe this country can survive with out illegals? Please make me a believer,I also want to believe that,I want to see that.

 

"You just try to go to Mexico illegally" What do you mean? If a citizen from a different country wants to come to U.S. legally,do you know of all the processes and paperwork they had to submit in order to come here? like finger prints,criminal record,proff of being economically solvent and dozens of more proccesses,paper work and besides all the time they had to wait in order for them to get the ok that they can come here? Some people has to wait up to 10 years to get the ok.

I'm not saying that all of this documents and proccesses are wrong or that's a bad thing, what I'm trying to say is that do you want Mexico to do the same thing to us the U.S. citizens every time we cross or want to go to Mexico? Or what do you mean by saying "try to go to Mexico illegally? I have never seen a U.S. citizen go thru such things or to have any kind of problems to cross the border to Mexico.

 

Illegals have a positive and also a negative impact on economy so it work both ways. I know some people that work here legally,some of them work here for up to 14 years and suddenly they permit to work here was cancelled so thay had to go back to Mexico,money was taken out of their checks for social security,when will they get their money back?Never,remember like them are thousands and thousands so how much money is the Social Security saving?

 

I was send from work to help a customer with a problematic machinary a couple years ago,I spent with them 3 weeks,I'll say they employ about 500 illegals in there,this illegals were working 15 to 16 hours a day,7 days a week for $5.75 an hour and NO overtime pay,also if a machine was down for an hour or two they were not getting pay that time either,this place was full of unsafe conditions like expose electrical wires.expose belts and chains etc etc. I never thought that we will have a work place in such condition here in the U.S. it was denigrator.

 

Would we work in a place like that for the same wages and with same conditions? Do we want to work in the fields for example pick up cantaloupes in a 115 degree heat all day long? How much many are we saving?

 

You know I can post the negative side too but like I said earlier we will go around and around and we will never get anywhere,in politics and religion you can ask a thousand different people and you will get a thousand different opinions so here I go with my suggestion again lets change the subject and lets talk hunting. Does anybody has a picture(s) of a buck you want to post? And of course in you want to reply to this topic you have the right to do it.

 

Take care and God bless you.

 

Ernesto C...... one who loves his family,his friends,this site and this country too and of course hunting too

[Redman]

Ernesto,

 

AMEN

 

Redman

[25-06]

Ernesto, Right on. And one more AMEN.....Terry Lambeth

[az4life]

It is obvious why the topic went off track somewhat, and we need to wait for investigations to prove or disprove various theories.

 

I wrote what I wrote, and it applies to anyone coming here illegally from any country. Mexico, Canada, Columbia, Israel, Russia, Puerto Rico, Cuba, or Iceland. ANY COUNTRY. Legal Immigration is Legal and Illegal immigration is Illegal.

 

Times are tense and terrorists ARE affecting the way we look at almost everything in life. I pray for and end to the terror and the pain

 

This board is mainly for coues hunting and provides a relief from stress for me and likely others, so thanks for pointing that out again.

 

Stick a forkie in me, I think I am done!

Edited January 1, 1970 by az4life

[bowhunter89]

Manamal,

that sounds like a really scary story, stay safe

I feel really bad for the family of the man. It is so hard to go through a death. I will be praying for him and his family

[.270]

we can all caution each other to not prejudge or jump to conclusions when there is no proof or even rumors about who shot the guy. but the fact that this post went the direction it did says a lot about what's going on in southern Az., and says a lot about how folks feel about it. it's supposed to be America, but it's more like a Mexican territory right now. like it or not, the illegals pretty much control southern Az. the BP does what they can, i guess. the whole thing is just a real sad situation. Lark.

[gnoto]

Manamal

Its not my nature to question those who act as I would. in this case I think its worth it. You put yourself in great danger and are lucky you are not hurt or dead.

A few facts. The party boys were not looking for trouble in fact they went as far from population as they could. They were unfortunate to get to the end fo the road just as you did. When you decided you did not like how they were enjoying the wild you grabbed your stuff. good idea. Then you I am assuming pretty safely were upset and walked into their camp(party) knowing they were reckless and probably drunk you should have also assumed there were more of them then you and they were also armed. So with a GUN on you. You them what you thought of them. I think you were thinking little and acting big. I would probably do the same, but that does not mean it was smart.

You went into a camp of people you did not know MEN like you. You expected them to listen to you tell them what for and cower. You had your GUN on and in view I am assuming to protect your self and intimidate them. If I was them I would question your motivation and they did. You don't like being called names and having guns pointed at you. Don't put yourself in a position for that to happen. I'll protect you as much as anybody and thats a fact, but i think the only diferecne between you and our departed friend is you can tell the story. For your sake and your families sake realize your not the only MAN in the wild west and there are a lot of stupid men who will end your story before it gets told. take care of yourself

Edited January 1, 1970 by gnoto