your permit dollars at work

[.270]

check it out.

 

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0805gamefish0806.html

[KGAINES]

The way auction tag money works as I am told and have seen is this, the commission awards the tags to specific groups for example the ADA, the ADA then auctions it at their banquet. The money raised from this tag sale is kept by the ADA in a tag fund, the azgfd comes to the ADA with projects they would like to work on with the ADA and use tag fund money, or the ADA approaches the azgfd with a project for tag fund money. In a sense that money is taken care of by the specific groups that sale these tags, there is another benefit that I see with these tags and the banquets, the banquets raise money for groups to do projects without the azgfd, these tags bring more than one person to the banquet that is going to spend money. We all like the banquets, the raffles, and the auction items that they have, but there are some of these things that we can't afford that raise alot of money for these groups, these people that are out to buy these tags also spend their money on other stuff at these banquets that in turn helps the groups, and the wildlife in AZ. I would never have known this until I went to the ADA meetings and seen what happens, all of these groups do things that help wildlife and sportsmen. If it was just money collected from tag fees, license fees, or a stamp, the azgfd would have total control of how thee money was spent, good or bad I don't know, but I take a little comfort in knowing that in a way sportsmen have a say in how the money is spent. The auction tag bull was an unfortunate event and I don't know what happened, but in all the years of these tags this is the first time I have heard such a big deal made about it ( and I am not saying that a big deal shouldn't be made),but that tells me that until this year there hadn't been an issue. If we allow a one time bad incident to rush us to change things we could be making it worse, without better options and knowing the ramifications we shouldn't rush to change something without something better lined up.

[Huntn coues]

Thank's KGAINES

 

I like what you said especially the last few sentences.

[Red Rabbit]

I believe the cost of the new building will be offset by the sale of the current land and buildings on Greenway.

[Outdoor Writer]

I believe the cost of the new building will be offset by the sale of the current land and buildings on Greenway.

 

Doug,

 

Haven't you yet learned never to put forth facts into a lively discussion?

 

Actually, the deal for the old headquarters complex on the north side of Greenway has already been consummated with Phoenix PD. It's a done deal. I should have the sale figure shortly. The property and buildings on the south side never belonged to AZG&F; they were leasing that part.

 

BUT...even the funding for the new building has an interesting wrinkle to it. The general contractor is building it, and the department will have a 30-yr. lease-back arrangement whereby it pays so much a year toward the actual construction and maintenance costs. In return, the contractor will shoulder all the maintenance and custodial responsibilities for the duration of the lease. After 30 years, the department owns the whole enchilada.

 

Additionally, just the savings in energy operating costs alone, amounting to about 50% less per sq. ft than now, will be substantial at the new complex. -TONY

[.270]

you can buy a lotta 'lectricity for $20.5 million. you can also do a helluva lot o' wildlife managament with $20.5 million. but it's sorta apparant, to me anyway, that managing wildlife ain't to high on the azgfd's list. i was just tryin' to poke a little fun at the azgfd and everbody took it all serious. Lark.

[Outdoor Writer]

Doug,

 

Here's the update straight from the powers-that-be -- the head of the Special Services Division.

 

The property G&F currently occupies sits on 8 acres and has been appraised at $5 million. That area is now zoned as low-density residential, so the only thing that could be built by any developer would be a couple single family houses -- no condos or apartments. The sale is NOT finalized yet, but the city is now negotiating it where either the PD or FD will take over the site.

 

The new quarters will be paid for with bonds up front, utilizing a limited partnership arrangement with everyone involved, and the lease back to pay off those bonds is for 25 years, with an annual payback of about $1 million. After 25 years, the agency owns it lock, stock and barrel. The breakdown of construction costs for what is called an "environmentally advanced" complex is about $16-17 per sq. foot., which as I had mentioned earlier also includes all the maintenance and custodial services. In addition to the energy savings, the rent for the area on the south side of Greenway will also be history. -TONY

[Outdoor Writer]

Doug,

 

One thing I forgot to mention in my last reply:

 

The annual funding for the new headquarters complex will come out of the Arizona Wildlife Conservation Fund, not the general operating AGFD funds. Here's how Conservation Fund receives its money:

 

This fund was instituted after Arizona voters in 2002 approved Proposition 202, which continued limited and regulated gaming on Arizona tribal lands. Proposition 202 distributes a portion of shared gaming revenues, through the Arizona Benefits Fund, with the State of Arizona and local governments to support specified state and local programs. The Arizona Wildlife Conservation Fund is administered by the Arizona Game and Fish Commission.

 

-TONY

[bowhuntinmaniac]

One thing to remember.......with G&F moving to the new location, they are securing the gun range there.

[Outdoor Writer]

One thing to remember.......with G&F moving to the new location, they are securing the gun range there.

 

Not quite sure what you mean. G&F already owns that property and has since its inception. They had leased out the operation aspects for while, but now they also operate it. -TONY

[bowhuntinmaniac]

I meant that with housing encroachment, they would probably go thru the same stuff that the mesa range went thru a few years ago. With the offices going in there, the range will be protected from that.

[KGAINES]

With that prison on the other side of the mountain the shooting range will protect the houses that will eventually be built there. Sheriff Joe ought to make all the prisoners in that one wear shirts with bullseyes, heck he should make the child molestors hold the targets at the range.

[fatfootdoc]

kgaines,

That was awesome I think they should hold the targets as well!! ag

[tjhunt2]

Doug,

 

Here's the update straight from the powers-that-be -- the head of the Special Services Division.

 

The property G&F currently occupies sits on 8 acres and has been appraised at $5 million. That area is now zoned as low-density residential, so the only thing that could be built by any developer would be a couple single family houses -- no condos or apartments. The sale is NOT finalized yet, but the city is now negotiating it where either the PD or FD will take over the site.

 

The new quarters will be paid for with bonds up front, utilizing a limited partnership arrangement with everyone involved, and the lease back to pay off those bonds is for 25 years, with an annual payback of about $1 million. After 25 years, the agency owns it lock, stock and barrel. The breakdown of construction costs for what is called an "environmentally advanced" complex is about $16-17 per sq. foot., which as I had mentioned earlier also includes all the maintenance and custodial services. In addition to the energy savings, the rent for the area on the south side of Greenway will also be history. -TONY

 

That's exactly right Tony. I was about to say the same thing.

 

TJ