.270 Report post Posted March 10, 2016 dont get me started. Lark 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Titanium700 Report post Posted March 10, 2016 Wait till you see my elk gun. 6x45 *grin* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHT_MTNMAN Report post Posted March 10, 2016 Better BC will always make the same shooter a better shooter at longer distances...doesn't have anything to do with being a better hunter. Different comparisons...geesh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertBull Report post Posted March 10, 2016 I think I will stay with what I know. The Amax. In my 7mm mag I seat the 162 grain at just off the lands (-.025) and it works great. I've shot everything from from pigs to Barbary sheep to mature mule deer bucks with it and they dropped in their tracks. The 208 grain Amax or the ELD should be adequate. I wish they made the SST in 210 grain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CJ Long range Report post Posted March 10, 2016 I think I will stay with what I know. The Amax. In my 7mm mag I seat the 162 grain at just off the lands (-.025) and it works great. I've shot everything from from pigs to Barbary sheep to mature mule deer bucks with it and they dropped in their tracks. The 208 grain Amax or the ELD should be adequate. I wish they made the SST in 210 grain. I would definitely take a hard look at the Eld-x 212 grain. I'm trying to get some for my 300 rum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted March 10, 2016 is there really much difference between say a .400 bc and .500bc ? i find it hard to believe that difference isnt negligible Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STOMP442 Report post Posted March 10, 2016 Depending on the caliber and the cartridge you could be looking at a few feet of drop and 2 feet of windage at longer ranges. While drop is not hard to deal with the wind drift is the critical difference with long range shots where a couple of inches could mean a less than ideal shot placement or a miss. Take for example the .270 Winchester and a deer at 800 Yards. Hunter #1 is shooting a 140gr Nosler Partition at 3000 fps with a BC of .405 in standard conditions Drop at 800 yards = 183 inches 10mph wind drift at 800 yards = 65 inches Retained Energy at 800 yards = 628 ft lbs Hunter # 2 is also shooting a 270 Winchester but he is using a 140gr Berger VLD at 3000 fps with a BC of .487 in standard conditions Drop at 800 yards = 162 inches 10mph wind drift at 800 yards = 51 inches Retained Energy at 800 yards = 827 ft lbs .082 difference in BC alone accounts for 21 inches of less drop, 14 inches of less drift and 200 ft lbs more energy at 800 yards in favor of the bullet with the higher BC. Keep in mind this is just a comparison of bullets with the same weight just different shapes. If hunter #2 was using an even heavier for caliber bullet say 150gr the numbers are even greater in his favor. Both bullets will do the job just fine and yes the animal may not know the difference but the shooter sure would. If each hunter were to hold off for wind the same amount Hunter #1 may very will miss that deer at 800 yards. Knowing your rifle and how it performs with whatever bullet you choose is most important but to say a higher BC doesn't really matter is just foolish. Minimizing the environmental effects appllied to your bullet during flight and maximizing the potential on target makes sense to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted March 10, 2016 Fascinating Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big or Bust Report post Posted March 10, 2016 Depending on the caliber and the cartridge you could be looking at a few feet of drop and 2 feet of windage at longer ranges. While drop is not hard to deal with the wind drift is the critical difference with long range shots where a couple of inches could mean a less than ideal shot placement or a miss. Take for example the .270 Winchester and a deer at 800 Yards. Hunter #1 is shooting a 140gr Nosler Partition at 3000 fps with a BC of .405 in standard conditions Drop at 800 yards = 183 inches 10mph wind drift at 800 yards = 65 inches Retained Energy at 800 yards = 628 ft lbs Hunter # 2 is also shooting a 270 Winchester but he is using a 140gr Berger VLD at 3000 fps with a BC of .487 in standard conditions Drop at 800 yards = 162 inches 10mph wind drift at 800 yards = 51 inches Retained Energy at 800 yards = 827 ft lbs .082 difference in BC alone accounts for 21 inches of less drop, 14 inches of less drift and 200 ft lbs more energy at 800 yards in favor of the bullet with the higher BC. Keep in mind this is just a comparison of bullets with the same weight just different shapes. If hunter #2 was using an even heavier for caliber bullet say 150gr the numbers are even greater in his favor. Both bullets will do the job just fine and yes the animal may not know the difference but the shooter sure would. If each hunter were to hold off for wind the same amount Hunter #1 may very will miss that deer at 800 yards. Knowing your rifle and how it performs with whatever bullet you choose is most important but to say a higher BC doesn't really matter is just foolish. Minimizing the environmental effects appllied to your bullet during flight and maximizing the potential on target makes sense to me. What are your 800 yard impact velocities for both comparison loads that you left out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STOMP442 Report post Posted March 10, 2016 1422 fps for the Nosler Partition 1631 fps for the Berger VLD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big or Bust Report post Posted March 10, 2016 Yeah - way under the impact thresholds for optimum performance for both so the drifts are misleading under a hunting circumstance... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big or Bust Report post Posted March 10, 2016 Yeah - way under the impact thresholds for optimum performance for both so the drifts are misleading under a hunting circumstance... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STOMP442 Report post Posted March 10, 2016 Oh for heck sakes. It was only an example what an improved BC can do for you. Pick a caliber I don't care which one and the results will be the same. Nothing misleading about the drifts at all. The higher BC bullet will always have less. Always. The only thing that's way under threshold in this thread is your Stanford - Binet test scores. FYI you wanted to know what difference a .400 vs. .500 BC would be. The bullets I compared closely match those parameters while staying caliber specific for an apples to apples comparison. I'm sorry you didn't like the answers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntHarder Report post Posted March 10, 2016 Stomp--- You should stop trying to educate people that already know everything. Your knowledge falls on deaf ears. Those of us that care about ballistics, and bullet bc's are wasteing our time understanding it. Point your gun at the animal, pull the trigger and the animal dies is much simpler to understand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted March 10, 2016 FYI you wanted to know what difference a .400 vs. .500 BC would be. The bullets I compared closely match those parameters while staying caliber specific for an apples to apples comparison. I'm sorry you didn't like the answers. why you yelling at me lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
