hassled by border patrol

[HEADACHE]

I hunt up north!

 

I mean I am glad they are being thorough, I don't want the illegals here at all.

There is no reason to be an butt about things though. I mean a guy can do his job and still be civil.

I got hassled one time by the Forest service, this guy was all over me because of my AR-15 in the front seat, kept asking me if I took a rifle scouting all the time, I told him yes I take my Colt with me everywhere. I'm glad we never got around to the Smith in my buttcrack!

haha ha ha

 

Its a good thing to bite your tongue though, he was probably looking for you to smart off, then bring the hammer, then you lose no matter what.

 

I would call or email someone in the org. and complain though.

 

my two or three cents worth.

[ichiban43]

First--all law enforcement should act in a professional manner. That being said--we must remember that EVERY stop is a potential life and death situation. When they KNOW that there is a weapon present, the alert level automatically will rise along with the apprehension. That is totally understandable. Still--professionalism must be maintained. But we must also NEVER give reason to escalate the apprehension. I'm not sure--not being a lawyer-that just being out there in the deset is just cause for a search. That is totally a personal call on that as to allow it or not.

If you really feel that this officer acted in an unreasonable manner--I would certainly report his behavior.

 

I question, in my own mind, hasseling an obvious citizen in this manner. While scouting down there--all of the ones that I have encountered have been extremely friendly and alerted me to the fact that they had spotted some wetbacks in the area and to be aware. Conversly--I reported a few that I saw and they actually let me know that they had apprehended them.

 

BOB

[devinv]

First--all law enforcement should act in a professional manner. That being said--we must remember that EVERY stop is a potential life and death situation. When they KNOW that there is a weapon present, the alert level automatically will rise along with the apprehension. That is totally understandable. Still--professionalism must be maintained. But we must also NEVER give reason to escalate the apprehension. I'm not sure--not being a lawyer-that just being out there in the deset is just cause for a search. That is totally a personal call on that as to allow it or not.

If you really feel that this officer acted in an unreasonable manner--I would certainly report his behavior.

 

I question, in my own mind, hasseling an obvious citizen in this manner. While scouting down there--all of the ones that I have encountered have been extremely friendly and alerted me to the fact that they had spotted some wetbacks in the area and to be aware. Conversly--I reported a few that I saw and they actually let me know that they had apprehended them.

 

BOB

 

 

I understand what you are saying as far as the apprehension part because there had been a gun in the truck, but when we saw them coming, we pulled over, not waiting for them to turn on their lights, not something a drug runner would do. i guess i can only explain it so well and the attitude he was giving, one of those you had to be there things. and having a gun in the truck is not reasonable cause to search, they either have to see something that is in PLAIN view, or place us under arrest before they can search the vehicle without a warrant.

 

but like others have stated, most all of the BP guys arereally friendly, just happened to run into a sour one this time

[firstcoueswas80]

correct me if im wrong, but a gun shop owner in flagstaff explianed the under 21 year old law as you are only allowed to transport ahandgun under the age of 21 to and from the shooting range.?? is that correct?

 

When i was under 21 i still carried my sidearm as i was not about to let anything happen just because i was not 21!

[devinv]

correct me if im wrong, but a gun shop owner in flagstaff explianed the under 21 year old law as you are only allowed to transport ahandgun under the age of 21 to and from the shooting range.?? is that correct?

 

When i was under 21 i still carried my sidearm as i was not about to let anything happen just because i was not 21!

 

no, i do believe the law states you must be 21 to purchase a handgun or ammo for it through a retailer although, if it is a private sale, face to face, it does not apply.

 

also, arizona is a 'right to open carry' state, meaning anybody 18 and over can openly carry a sidearm in public, certain places have restrictions though, for obvious reasons.

[ichiban43]

First--all law enforcement should act in a professional manner. That being said--we must remember that EVERY stop is a potential life and death situation. When they KNOW that there is a weapon present, the alert level automatically will rise along with the apprehension. That is totally understandable. Still--professionalism must be maintained. But we must also NEVER give reason to escalate the apprehension. I'm not sure--not being a lawyer-that just being out there in the deset is just cause for a search. That is totally a personal call on that as to allow it or not.

If you really feel that this officer acted in an unreasonable manner--I would certainly report his behavior.

 

I question, in my own mind, hasseling an obvious citizen in this manner. While scouting down there--all of the ones that I have encountered have been extremely friendly and alerted me to the fact that they had spotted some wetbacks in the area and to be aware. Conversly--I reported a few that I saw and they actually let me know that they had apprehended them.

 

BOB

 

 

 

 

I understand what you are saying as far as the apprehension part because there had been a gun in the truck, but when we saw them coming, we pulled over, not waiting for them to turn on their lights, not something a drug runner would do. i guess i can only explain it so well and the attitude he was giving, one of those you had to be there things. and having a gun in the truck is not reasonable cause to search, they either have to see something that is in PLAIN view, or place us under arrest before they can search the vehicle without a warrant.

 

but like others have stated, most all of the BP guys arereally friendly, just happened to run into a sour one this time

 

I'm in no way defending this BP's attitude--I have been hassled unreasonably by law enforcement too. Some guys are just JERKS--the uniform and badge has gone to their heads. For some who get into the field--it is not about public service--but POWER. And I'm not talking out of my Bu--. I have a degree in police science and criminal justice--I know many in law enforcement! Maybe the guy wanted an AM and his wife/girlfriend shut him down--who knows!!

[cmc]

correct me if im wrong, but a gun shop owner in flagstaff explianed the under 21 year old law as you are only allowed to transport ahandgun under the age of 21 to and from the shooting range.?? is that correct?

 

When i was under 21 i still carried my sidearm as i was not about to let anything happen just because i was not 21!

 

no, i do believe the law states you must be 21 to purchase a handgun or ammo for it through a retailer although, if it is a private sale, face to face, it does not apply.

 

also, arizona is a 'right to open carry' state, meaning anybody 18 and over can openly carry a sidearm in public, certain places have restrictions though, for obvious reasons.

 

 

AZ State Statue says....

 

 

13-3111. Minors prohibited from carrying or possessing firearms; exceptions; seizure and forfeiture; penalties; classification

 

A. Except as provided in subsection B, an unemancipated person who is under eighteen years of age and who is unaccompanied by a parent, grandparent or guardian, or a certified hunter safety instructor or certified firearms safety instructor acting with the consent of the unemancipated person's parent or guardian, shall not knowingly carry or possess on his person, within his immediate control, or in or on a means of transportation a firearm in any place that is open to the public or on any street or highway or on any private property except private property owned or leased by the minor or the minor's parent, grandparent or guardian.

 

B. This section does not apply to a person who is fourteen, fifteen, sixteen or seventeen years of age and who is any of the following:

 

1. Engaged in lawful hunting or shooting events or marksmanship practice at established ranges or other areas where the discharge of a firearm is not prohibited.

 

2. Engaged in lawful transportation of an unloaded firearm for the purpose of lawful hunting.

 

3. Engaged in lawful transportation of an unloaded firearm between the hours of 5:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. for the purpose of shooting events or marksmanship practice at established ranges or other areas where the discharge of a firearm is not prohibited.

 

4. Engaged in activities requiring the use of a firearm that are related to the production of crops, livestock, poultry, livestock products, poultry products, or ratites or in the production or storage of agricultural commodities.

 

C. If the minor is not exempt under subsection B and is in possession of a firearm, a peace officer shall seize the firearm at the time the violation occurs.

 

D. In addition to any other penalty provided by law, a person who violates subsection A shall be subject to the following penalties:

 

1. If adjudicated a delinquent juvenile for an offense involving an unloaded firearm, a fine of not more than two hundred fifty dollars, and the court may order the suspension or revocation of the person's driver license until the person reaches eighteen years of age. If the person does not have a driver license at the time of the adjudication, the court may direct that the department of transportation not issue a driver license to the person until the person reaches eighteen years of age.

 

2. If adjudicated a delinquent juvenile for an offense involving a loaded firearm, a fine of not more than five hundred dollars, and the court may order the suspension or revocation of the person's driver license until the person reaches eighteen years of age. If the person does not have a driver license at the time of the adjudication, the court may direct that the department of transportation not issue a driver license to the person until the person reaches eighteen years of age.

 

3. If adjudicated a delinquent juvenile for an offense involving a loaded or unloaded firearm, if the person possessed the firearm while the person was the driver or an occupant of a motor vehicle, a fine of not more than five hundred dollars and the court shall order the suspension or revocation of the person's driver license until the person reaches eighteen years of age. If the person does not have a driver license at the time of adjudication, the court shall direct that the department of transportation not issue a driver license to the person until the person reaches eighteen years of age. If the court finds that no other means of transportation is available, the driving privileges of the child may be restricted to travel between the child's home, school and place of employment during specified periods of time according to the child's school and employment schedule.

 

E. Firearms seized pursuant to subsection C shall be held by the law enforcement agency responsible for the seizure until the charges have been adjudicated or disposed of otherwise or the person is convicted. Upon adjudication or conviction of a person for a violation of this section, the court shall order the firearm forfeited. However, the law enforcement agency shall return the firearm to the lawful owner if the identity of that person is known.

 

F. If the court finds that the parent or guardian of a minor found responsible for violating this section knew or reasonably should have known of the minor's unlawful conduct and made no effort to prohibit it, the parent or guardian is jointly and severally responsible for any fine imposed pursuant to this section or for any civil actual damages resulting from the unlawful use of the firearm by the minor.

 

G. This section is supplemental to any other law imposing a criminal penalty for the use or exhibition of a deadly weapon. A minor who violates this section may be prosecuted and adjudicated delinquent for any other criminal conduct involving the use or exhibition of the deadly weapon.

 

H. A person who violates subsection A is guilty of a class 6 felony.

[devinv]

correct me if im wrong, but a gun shop owner in flagstaff explianed the under 21 year old law as you are only allowed to transport ahandgun under the age of 21 to and from the shooting range.?? is that correct?

 

When i was under 21 i still carried my sidearm as i was not about to let anything happen just because i was not 21!

 

no, i do believe the law states you must be 21 to purchase a handgun or ammo for it through a retailer although, if it is a private sale, face to face, it does not apply.

 

also, arizona is a 'right to open carry' state, meaning anybody 18 and over can openly carry a sidearm in public, certain places have restrictions though, for obvious reasons.

 

 

AZ State Statue says....

 

 

13-3111. Minors prohibited from carrying or possessing firearms; exceptions; seizure and forfeiture; penalties; classification

 

A. Except as provided in subsection B, an unemancipated person who is under eighteen years of age and who is unaccompanied by a parent, grandparent or guardian, or a certified hunter safety instructor or certified firearms safety instructor acting with the consent of the unemancipated person's parent or guardian, shall not knowingly carry or possess on his person, within his immediate control, or in or on a means of transportation a firearm in any place that is open to the public or on any street or highway or on any private property except private property owned or leased by the minor or the minor's parent, grandparent or guardian.

 

B. This section does not apply to a person who is fourteen, fifteen, sixteen or seventeen years of age and who is any of the following:

 

1. Engaged in lawful hunting or shooting events or marksmanship practice at established ranges or other areas where the discharge of a firearm is not prohibited.

 

2. Engaged in lawful transportation of an unloaded firearm for the purpose of lawful hunting.

 

3. Engaged in lawful transportation of an unloaded firearm between the hours of 5:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. for the purpose of shooting events or marksmanship practice at established ranges or other areas where the discharge of a firearm is not prohibited.

 

4. Engaged in activities requiring the use of a firearm that are related to the production of crops, livestock, poultry, livestock products, poultry products, or ratites or in the production or storage of agricultural commodities.

 

C. If the minor is not exempt under subsection B and is in possession of a firearm, a peace officer shall seize the firearm at the time the violation occurs.

 

D. In addition to any other penalty provided by law, a person who violates subsection A shall be subject to the following penalties:

 

1. If adjudicated a delinquent juvenile for an offense involving an unloaded firearm, a fine of not more than two hundred fifty dollars, and the court may order the suspension or revocation of the person's driver license until the person reaches eighteen years of age. If the person does not have a driver license at the time of the adjudication, the court may direct that the department of transportation not issue a driver license to the person until the person reaches eighteen years of age.

 

2. If adjudicated a delinquent juvenile for an offense involving a loaded firearm, a fine of not more than five hundred dollars, and the court may order the suspension or revocation of the person's driver license until the person reaches eighteen years of age. If the person does not have a driver license at the time of the adjudication, the court may direct that the department of transportation not issue a driver license to the person until the person reaches eighteen years of age.

 

3. If adjudicated a delinquent juvenile for an offense involving a loaded or unloaded firearm, if the person possessed the firearm while the person was the driver or an occupant of a motor vehicle, a fine of not more than five hundred dollars and the court shall order the suspension or revocation of the person's driver license until the person reaches eighteen years of age. If the person does not have a driver license at the time of adjudication, the court shall direct that the department of transportation not issue a driver license to the person until the person reaches eighteen years of age. If the court finds that no other means of transportation is available, the driving privileges of the child may be restricted to travel between the child's home, school and place of employment during specified periods of time according to the child's school and employment schedule.

 

E. Firearms seized pursuant to subsection C shall be held by the law enforcement agency responsible for the seizure until the charges have been adjudicated or disposed of otherwise or the person is convicted. Upon adjudication or conviction of a person for a violation of this section, the court shall order the firearm forfeited. However, the law enforcement agency shall return the firearm to the lawful owner if the identity of that person is known.

 

F. If the court finds that the parent or guardian of a minor found responsible for violating this section knew or reasonably should have known of the minor's unlawful conduct and made no effort to prohibit it, the parent or guardian is jointly and severally responsible for any fine imposed pursuant to this section or for any civil actual damages resulting from the unlawful use of the firearm by the minor.

 

G. This section is supplemental to any other law imposing a criminal penalty for the use or exhibition of a deadly weapon. A minor who violates this section may be prosecuted and adjudicated delinquent for any other criminal conduct involving the use or exhibition of the deadly weapon.

 

H. A person who violates subsection A is guilty of a class 6 felony.

 

a minor is somebody under the age of 18 though. didnt see anything in regards for persons 18-20