ThomC Report post Posted February 6, 2016 Hunting on the Saguaro National Park is not allowed. There are no signs, no fence, you better take a surveyor with you. If your shot deer goes into the Park then you are screwed. The 1/4 mile rule is "you better know how far you are from a house." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Explorer Report post Posted February 6, 2016 Criminal tresspassing is more than one violation. Plus you have to be caught in the act by LE for it to be proven. Kinda like speeding, you cant get a ticket unless the officer sees you personally. Plus I never saw a ranch hand sober enough to see me. A fence is to keep cattle in and not humans out. Unless properly posted per law. When the law changes I will abide by it. Until then I exploit the loophole. This only pertains to private land as mentioned though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
111 Report post Posted February 8, 2016 I'm glad they changed it, just wish it was 20 years instead of 5. Hopefully this gives G&F time to figure out a good solution to this when the 5 years is up... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Report post Posted February 28, 2016 Whew.....I put in for archery unit 10, then heard the original bad news, and now it's back to good news (no limit on permits)... Yay! And I think my draw odds may have gotten a little better! Now perhaps the G&F could work with some other tribes and their elk hunts! If this happens, I'll be a giant billboard promoting the G&F! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted February 28, 2016 The bo ain't rez. It is a ranch owned by the tribe. Lark 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wdenike Report post Posted February 28, 2016 Well, I'm smart enough to see why the HIGH DEMAND hunters are taking it in the poop shoot. They simply do way more environmental damage!!! GAME AND FISH, & BO = MONEY HUNGRY. They can both suck hind teet, far as I'm concerned. LMAO Take care, Willie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wdenike Report post Posted February 28, 2016 " I suspect it won't be long before a good number of us close the ranch gate at one of the camps and watch it disappear in the rear view for the last time with the way this is progressing." NO!!!!!!! I will be blunt as heII!!!! There is a SUCKER born every day with more money than brains, and NONE DIE. So the lunacy will continue. Take care, Willie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D.F.M. Report post Posted February 29, 2016 So if its public land can you just get a helicopter to fly you onto the public land then pick you up ? Just saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TOBY Report post Posted February 29, 2016 But then you cant hunt for 24 or 48 hours after flying over your area. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Non-Typical Solutions Report post Posted February 29, 2016 Anybody volunteer to go spotlight black footed ferrets with the G$F in the Aubrey Valley???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdrhunter Report post Posted March 25, 2016 i know i know... most here don't like the statewide tags. however, i purchased the az. antelope tag good from august 15, 2015-august 14, 2016. last yr. i tried to hunt the ranch first thing and was told by mr. lee murphy, owner of exclusive pursuit outfitters http://exclusivepursuitoutfitters.com, that i could not access the ranch until the general draw archery hunters could. even though i didn't really understand, mr. murphy told me in written form that albeit it is a disadvantage this yr. that the rules of the ranch are they war they are. he then assured me that if i did not harvest an antelope last fall, 2015, i could access the ranch with appropriate fees and hunt it through seasons end. since my tag runs through the summer and until august 14th, i told him that i would bypass the fall 2015 season and utilize the opportunity the following summer. he told me that would be fine and would play to my advantage. with the new rules that just came out, i called mr. murphy to inquire about his commitment to me that he gave me in both email and verbally in the fall of 2015, since the new rules conflicted. he then retracted his offer and said i would not be able to access the ranch this summer. i told him that was in direct conflict with his email promise to me. he said he didn't care. then i find out that the auction hunter for 2016 booked to hunt a buck exclusively with mr. murphy on the big bo... hmm, wonder why i can't go on there. this outfit is behind all the rules affecting you as a hunter and your ability to enjoy the big bo. shoot away folks. this is a reality. most irate part about it.... I grew up in az my entire life. have 22 bp for antelope. didn't have enough money to put in for two different species as a child/teenager, worked my way up, can afford to donate back to antelope conservation in az., paid for it, wanted to use this tag to hunt around the fourth of july holiday with my own kids and wife on the big bo for a family vacation, was promised both verbally and in writing by mr. murphy that this would be possible with my tag, and then..... conflict of interest. there you have it. good luck with them sportsmen.... my comment about slimy does not have to do with anyone particular person. however, it does have to do with those behind the decisions. i would have no idea who is involved or not. yes, i stand behind what i say. whether it is the navajo nation, the azgfd, or the ranch managers... which i believe lee murphy is one. lee murphy told me verbally and wrote in an email prior to making my decisions to not hunt my hunt last fall that i would essentially be able to hunt the big bo at anytime during the summer of 2016 because i have a valid hunt permit. now as of last i had heard, i can't. mr. murphy said he does not make the rules, he just enforces them. i asked him if he would indeed ask those who made the first judgement to reconsider their current judgement with my permit so as to fulfill with their prior commitment to me. i had made decisions based off their commitment to me and i intended on hunting the big bo this summer. he said he didn't care what they said before, it is what it is now. to me, that's slimy. i don't say one thing, and do another intentionally. mr. murphy has with intent led me to believe i would be operating under a very specific arrangement and now he has backed out of his word and even with acknowledging he did in fact agree to those terms last fall, the rules have changed. all sportsman in az. and non-residents alike have reason to believe this is slimy. yes i know it might be hard to let me hunt the big bo. you have the 2016-2017 az. auction client and have sold him off a buck that resides and must remain protected on the big bo.. heaven forbid he waits his turn! good luck with this. there is no other side to the story....if so, please email me or message me your number and i would be glad to converse over the phone, readdress this issue with mr. murphy, or work out the misunderstanding in any other way. as of now, i have no recourse. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bonecollector Report post Posted March 25, 2016 I thank you for spending your hard earned money on this tag and donating to wildlife conservation. This is wrong by Lee to go back on their word. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longshooter Report post Posted March 25, 2016 I thank you for spending your hard earned money on this tag and donating to wildlife conservation. This is wrong by Exclusive Pursuit Outfitters to go back on their word. +1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muledeerarea33? Report post Posted March 25, 2016 Post the email exchanges, it'll be a good read I'm sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Sparky Report post Posted March 25, 2016 If you do have the e-mails, and depending on what Mr. Murphy's authority is, you have breech of contract, both verbal and written. If you have what you say you have, you need a lawyer talking for you. One letter may be the grease to get the wheels moving. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
