Can an Archery Elk permit be converted?

[Coues 'n' Sheep]

A buddy of mine and his brother, father, and bro-in-law all drew unit 8 archery bull tags.... His Brother was recently almost killed in a car accident and is still in the hospital. He had to have a life saving surgury to repair his aorta and will have to do a good bit of phisical therapy to regain 100% (maybe) of his walking ablity/mobility in the months to come. So he cannot and will not be able to draw a bow (most likely) and just walking around will be very difficult (or impossible) by the time the hunt roles around. Is there any way to convert his tag into a Champ permit for him or is it a Burnt tag if his ablities are not what they were come time to hunt???? Would the AZGF allow a crossbow to be used from a ground blind with the proper documention from doctors and such?? I am looking for ANY construtive advice here.... this deal has been really hard on these guys and I think it would be great mental therapy for this kid to be out in the woods on his hunt (his first elk tag).

 

Thanks,

 

CnS

[tjhunt2]

Would the AZGF allow a crossbow to be used from a ground blind with the proper documention from doctors and such?? I am looking for ANY construtive advice here.... this deal has been really hard on these guys and I think it would be great mental therapy for this kid to be out in the woods on his hunt (his first elk tag).

 

Thanks,

 

CnS

 

Gino,

No problem with this I think. All he has to do is go to GF and get a crossbow permit application and have his doctor sign it and then return it back to GF and they sign it right there on the spot. I just went thru this with my rotator cup and it sounds to me he is going to be worse off than me. There was no hassle with this at all. Another hunter I know just did the same thing.

Good luck with this and I hope and pray he recovers from his injuries.

 

TJ

[TLH]

A buddy of mine and his brother, father, and bro-in-law all drew unit 8 archery bull tags.... His Brother was recently almost killed in a car accident and is still in the hospital. He had to have a life saving surgury to repair his aorta and will have to do a good bit of phisical therapy to regain 100% (maybe) of his walking ablity/mobility in the months to come. So he cannot and will not be able to draw a bow (most likely) and just walking around will be very difficult (or impossible) by the time the hunt roles around. Is there any way to convert his tag into a Champ permit for him or is it a Burnt tag if his ablities are not what they were come time to hunt???? Would the AZGF allow a crossbow to be used from a ground blind with the proper documention from doctors and such?? I am looking for ANY construtive advice here.... this deal has been really hard on these guys and I think it would be great mental therapy for this kid to be out in the woods on his hunt (his first elk tag).

 

Thanks,

 

CnS

 

 

You can contact the game and fish but i do know they have a rule about temp. handicap and being able to use a crossbow.

[Outdoor Writer]

Gino,

 

Here's the pertinent info. -TONY

 

R12-4-216

Crossbow Permit

 

A. For the purposes of this Section, "crossbow permit"

means a document issued by the Department that

authorizes the permit holder to use a crossbow during

an archery-only season, as prescribed under R12-4-318.

 

B. A crossbow permit is valid only when the designated animal

for the archery-only season may otherwise be taken

by crossbow under R12-4-304 (see end of this message).

Possession of a crossbow permit does not waive any other

requirement for method of take or licensing.

 

C. An applicant for a crossbow permit shall apply on an

application form available from any Department office.

The applicant shall provide all of the following information

on the application form:

 

1. The applicant’s name, Department identification

number, mailing address, and telephone number;

and

 

2. A statement from an M.D., doctor of medicine,

with a valid license to practice issued by any state,

or a D.O., doctor of osteopathic medicine, with

a valid license to practice issued by any state, that

affirms the applicant has a permanent disability of

at least 90% impairment of function of one arm and

provides the physician's typed or printed name,

business address, and signature.

 

D. All information and documentation provided by an applicant

for a crossbow permit is subject to verification by

the Department.

 

E. The Department shall provide written notice to an applicant

whose application for a crossbow permit is denied.

The applicant may appeal the denial to the Commission

as prescribed in A.R.S. Title 41, Chapter 6, Article 10.

 

F. A crossbow permit is valid as long as the criteria for

obtaining the permit are met, unless the Commission

revokes the permit.

 

G. When acting under the authority of a crossbow permit,

the crossbow permit holder shall possess the permit, and

shall exhibit it upon request to any peace officer.

 

H. A crossbow permit holder shall not transfer the permit to

another individual or allow another individual to use the

permit.

 

I. After a hearing and upon sufficient cause showing, the

Commission shall revoke the crossbow permit of a crossbow

permit holder who transfers the permit to another

individual or allows another individual to use the permit.

An individual whose crossbow permit is revoked by the

Commission may petition the Commission for rehearing

in accordance with R12-4-607.

 

***

 

This from R12-4-304 - Legal moethods to take specific game:

 

6. To take elk:

a. Centerfire rifles;

b. Muzzleloading rifles;

c. All other rifles using black powder or synthetic

black powder;

d. Centerfire handguns;

e. Handguns using black powder or synthetic black

powder;

f. Shotguns shooting slugs;

g. Bows with a standard pull of 40 or more

pounds, using arrows with broadheads no less

than 7/8 inch in width with metal cutting edges;

and

h. For individuals holding a crossbow permit

issued under R12-4-216, crossbows with a minimum

draw weight of 125 pounds, using bolts

with a minimum length of 16 inches and broadheads

no less than 7/8 inch in width with metal

cutting edges.

[GameHauler]

Gino,

From what I hear he should be able to get the permit But

If it looks like he will not be able to hunt he may want to look into donating the tag to

Hunt Of A Lifetime

The earlier he decides to do that the better so that the is ample time to find a kid

and the family time to plan for the hunt

Sure hope he is able to hunt but just a thought if not

Mike

[tjhunt2]

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[Arizona Griz]

I hope your friend can work something out with the G&F. On another note I didn't think you could ever use a cross-bow duirng an archery hunt no matter what the circumstances were.

[Huntn coues]

I hope your friend can work something out with the G&F. On another note I didn't think you could ever use a cross-bow duirng an archery hunt no matter what the circumstances were.

 

Archery only:

 

Lawfull taking methods:Bow and arrow as prescribed in R12-4-304 and R12-4-318 and CROSSBOW as prescribed inR12-4-216

[Outdoor Writer]

I hope your friend can work something out with the G&F. On another note I didn't think you could ever use a cross-bow duirng an archery hunt no matter what the circumstances were.

 

Chris,

 

See the rules I posted directly from the regulations booklet. -TONY

[Arizona Griz]

I stand corrected. I saw that Tony but I couldn't make my mind believe it.

 

Anyways I hope the G&F helps the person out.

[Outdoor Writer]

I stand corrected. I saw that Tony but I couldn't make my mind believe it.

 

Anyways I hope the G&F helps the person out.

 

I don't think he'll have a problem unless that part of the 90% arm use kicks in. -TONY

[Coues 'n' Sheep]

Thanks everyone for the input and I will pass it along to him so that he can get to work on that..... I am not sure how it will all turn out.... his arms are not the real problem... it is his torso... it took soo much trauma that it nearly tore his Aorta, plus he had the heart surgery..... and he is very fortunate to be able to walk with a walker right now... So, I don't know much about the time frames but there is like no chance for him to be able to hike or pull a bow by the time that hunt comes around.... I'll keep you posted.

 

Thanks,

 

CnS

[firstcoueswas80]

Gino, honestly if i was him i wouldnt be caring about hunting! id wanna get as healthy as possible!

[Coues 'n' Sheep]

Gino, honestly if i was him i wouldnt be caring about hunting! id wanna get as healthy as possible!

 

 

Honestly, Casey..... One of his favorite things to talk about with his big brother right now is getting out in the woods together soon. You lay on your back in a hospital bed for weeks and depression sets in..... Things like an up coming elk hunt are the only brightness in a life filled with therapy, bed rest, and depression.... think about it.... he needs this opportunity to go hunting more now than before.

[bowhuntinmaniac]

Hate to say it.....but I think he is out of luck.......the key word is "permanent". Un;ess you can get a doctor to sign off on it being a permament loss of use, it won't fly.

And, I think as Tony said, crossbows cant be used on elk.

It may be hard for a HOAL kid to draw a bow also, but it would be worth it to try to find someone that can use it.